turkeestalker
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Hard to argue with that.
While we figure out how to reach out effectively, we need to stop giving in.
While we figure out how to reach out effectively, we need to stop giving in.
I've cringed at Loesch and Nugent more than a few times over the last two months, but I also wonder does it matter?I've said too many times, their messaging in this period has been counterproductive
Glenn E Meyer said:If the gun world is correlated with such social unpleasantess as we saw out of major spokespeople, it will hurt.
They do not have a rationale for ownership of the guns that are under threat, that is convincing outside of the choir. The annoyance of a list member, I will summarize as:
We need AR-15s to keep the kindergarten teachers and college professors from making our kids into socialists.
Glenn E Meyer said:If the next election swings Congress and state houses, you will get Heller/Scalia restriction analysis rammed down your throat for bans in many states thought safe. Forget SCOTUS.
All the money bombs and long posts with micro analyses of Heller won't do the RKBA a bit of good. If you want some of the 100 million gun owners to join the NRA - maybe some thought to messaging and leadership would be appropriate. Some hunter who thinks that ARs are too dangerous isn't going to join the current crew.
Glenn E Meyer said:In a way, this parallels the last election when the Democrats couldn't understand why some of their folks who supported Obama, turned against Hillary. The person and message counts. Good analyses of the last election demonstrated that her persona sunk enthusiasm for her candidacy. Want more NRA members, think about it.
Glenn E Meyer said:I’ll let the readership decide whether they agree with me. It’s that simple.
buck460XVR said:^^^I'm with Frank. Again, it's not the hard core anti's we have a chance with, it's those folks that in the past have been neutral to gun ownership. We have already chipped away at the edges with the old rhetorical "Shall not be infringed" arguments, but those still on the fence need something else. They've basically gotten sick of hearing the same ol' rhetoric and it's falling on deaf ears. On top of that, for every anti statement I've seen that is " wrong, misleading, and often flat-out lies", I've seen one from pro-gunners that is the same.
We have to quit doing what we accuse the other side as doing if we want to present ourselves as legitimate. Overall, I see very few newly proposed realistic answers and solutions to violence using firearms from pro-gun folks, just the same ol' memes and quotes. Yes, we need to talk to folks, but we need good arguments directed at the whole congregation, not just the choir. We need to fight the battle we can win(those neutral to firearm ownership) and quit focusing on those anti extremists who will never see things our way. We don't need to defeat them, we just need to keep them in the minority.
All the time I've been in the gun culture, I've never seen a situation in which academia, the media, and politicians (even a former Supreme Court Justice) are all so openly and brazenly against the RKBA. This is far worse than 1994, and for now, it really is an us vs. them situation.
I'm very skeptical of that statistic. On one hand, the antis claim we have more guns than people in this country. Then they go on to tell us not that many people actually own guns.Gun owners are 3 out of 10 (probably some plus or minus to that). A percentage of those 3 own multiple guns so the numbers may be high but not the overall ownership and guns don't vote, owners do. 70% (more or less) don't own guns.
For reals! For the last few years they keep saying 'gun ownership is declining and is at all time lows!' but turn around and tell us gun deaths is the biggest epidemic and that this country leads the world in gun-related deaths.The whole thing is an agenda to "prove" some decline in gun ownership. If they do that, they can go to their donors and claim they're having success.