Law Makers about to Strike a Deal on Immigration

It seems some of the ideas brought forth by a few members on TFL will become a reality for the 12 million or so undocumented workers already in the US. Part of the deal alludes to securing our borders from further "intrusions", and putting together a package that involves who in the future will have priority when it comes to immigration, such as skill sets, education, professional training, et al, that the US will be looking at as highly desirable attributes when considering future immigrants. At last, I feel some closure to this humanitarian crisisis that has polarized this nation for so long.
 
If you think this agreement between the Senate and the White House solves anything or brings "closure", then you have little understanding of the problem or of the attitudes of the the majority of Americans.
 
We dont need any new laws...just enforce the law, secure the borders and no amnesty. Once again the politicians have lulled us into believing that new legislation is the answer. :mad:
 
At last, I feel some closure to this humanitarian crisisis that has polarized this nation for so long.

Please tell me your joking and not that naive, the only results from this bill will
be to increase those crossing illegally in coming months and continue to harm
the working people of America. If chain migration is included we face a total
loss of any safety system we may now have in terms of medical care, social
security, etc.
 
Saw Senator Edward K., the Chappaquiddic Dean of swim talking about this new deal on Fox this AM. Having not read this proposal I cannot judge it good or bad but what the Senator is for, I am generally opposed and vice versa. It is unnecessary to go into detail about his character flaws we all know them but if he is for this new bill, it must smell to high heaven.
 
Highlighted copy demonstrates this is nothing more than political theater. No one has any intentions to enforce any new laws much less existing laws.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8P69MPO2&show_article=1
Deal Struck on Immigration Bill
May 17 02:12 PM US/Eastern
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Key senators in both parties announced agreement with the White House Thursday on an immigration overhaul that would grant quick legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in the U.S. and fortify the border.

The plan would create a temporary worker program to bring new arrivals to the U.S. A separate program would cover agricultural workers. New high-tech enforcement measures also would be instituted to verify that workers are here legally.

The compromise came after weeks of painstaking closed-door negotiations that brought the most liberal Democrats and the most conservative Republicans together with President Bush's Cabinet officers to produce a highly complex measure that carries heavy political consequences.

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., said he expects Bush to endorse the agreement.

"Politics is the art of the possible, and the agreement we just reached is the best possible chance we will have in years to secure our borders and bring millions of people out of the shadows and into the sunshine of America," Kennedy said.

Anticipating criticism from conservatives, Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said, "It is not amnesty. This will restore the rule of law."

The accord sets the stage for what promises to be a bruising battle next week in the Senate on one of Bush's top non-war priorities. The president has said he wants to sign an immigration bill by summer's end.

The key breakthrough came when negotiators struck a bargain on a so- called "point system" that would for the first time prioritize immigrants' education and skill level over family connections in deciding how to award green cards.

The draft bill "gives a path out of the shadows and toward legal status for those who are currently here" illegally, said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

The immigration issue also divides both parties in the House, which isn't expected to act unless the Senate passes a bill first.

The proposed agreement would allow illegal immigrants to come forward and obtain a "Z visa" and—after paying fees and a $5,000 fine—ultimately get on track for permanent residency, which could take between eight and 13 years. Heads of household would have to return to their home countries first.

They could come forward right away to claim a probationary card that would let them live and work legally in the U.S., but could not begin the path to permanent residency or citizenship until border security improvements and the high-tech worker identification program were completed.

A new temporary guest worker program would also have to wait until those so-called "triggers" had been activated.

Those workers would have to return home after work stints of two years, with little opportunity to gain permanent legal status or ever become U.S. citizens. They could renew their guest worker visas twice, but would be required to leave for a year in between each time.

Democrats had pressed instead for guest workers to be permitted to stay and work indefinitely in the U.S.

In perhaps the most hotly debated change, the proposed plan would shift from an immigration system primarily weighted toward family ties toward one with preferences for people with advanced degrees and sophisticated skills. Republicans have long sought such revisions, which they say are needed to end "chain migration" that harms the economy, while some Democrats and liberal groups say it's an unfair system that rips families apart.

Family connections alone would no longer be enough to qualify for a green card—except for spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens.

New limits would apply to U.S. citizens seeking to bring foreign-born parents into the country.
 
Yes America is going to hell and Jorge Bush is pulling the wagon.

It really is a sad day, we are being sold out by our "leaders".

Where will all of these illegals go when they turn America into a 3rd world cesspool like the one they fled to come here?

Get ready Canada.
 
Have you ever seen the kinds of restrictions Canada places on immigration? My wife and I were looking into moving up there....good Lord.

We really are Canada's Mexico. I'm gonna feel really bad for them in a decade or few. Especially since most of us speak English and a majority of us don't come from one easy-to-spot race/ethnicity. Ditch the bald eagle shirt and learn to say "eh" a lot, and they'll never be able to root us out. ;)
 
"It seems some of the ideas brought forth by a few members on TFL will become a reality for the 12 million or so undocumented workers"

I hope so.
 
By the way, There are no undocumented workers in the USA, There are citizens, legal aliens and illegal aliens. The 12,000.000 "undocumented workers" in the USA are are d illegal aleus under US law.
 
It's an American story!

People are going to come to the US, until there are no longer any opportunity
or jobs to fill. That has been going on for hundreds of years. We just have to get use to it. The idea that it is going to hurt the "working class" is a bunch
of ****. These are the lower working class working so that ,we the upper
working or middle class can enjoy a higher level of life. By the way, who
cleans the hotel rooms, picks our veggies, washes our dishes in our
restaurants, build our roads, the last time I checked, they are not Blue
eyed, white Anglo-Norwegian like me! By the way, before you guys forget,
my Norwegian forefather came and worked in the coal mines, and was looked
down upon by the "whites" who were here earlier. They thought he talked
funny, had an accent and would not assimilate inspite of being blond. Guess
what, his kids all went to college, and became Americans.! It is a story
that is unfolding everyday.
 
Is it only me that sees the phrase "...third world cesspool" as less than flattering when describing nations that are, perhaps, somewhat less fortunate economically and politically than America? I will avoid the "R" word, in so much as it seems to close threads ricky tick, with the offenders never having to own up to their obvious bias. Now, I, for one, find this great news...I will sleep better tonight, and so will the undocumented, knowing that there is hope for a future in America...the same hope our anscestors had when they came here "uninvited" and undocumented...as for those who scream foul...well, you will be the only ones losing sleep.

BTW...there are now over 100 million "minorities" in America, and Latinos make up the majority of that number, followed by Asians...
 
Sorry, UH1-D, but there's nothing racist about referring to countries as "third world cesspools." I've spent a little time in a couple of them, and it's a fair description...regardless of the skin color and/or religion of a majority of the populace.
 
And sorry Juanito...I've spent more than just a little time in a lot of these so-called third world cesspools, and the people in these countries find the term highly offensive and degrading. It does nothing to enhance the image of America around the world...or what's left of it.
 
I'm sure they do...doesn't change the fact that their country sucks.

Sorry, I'm just sayin'...

Regardless, I'm interested to see how this whole thing shakes out. From what I'm reading it sounds like a messed up, convoluted system that assuming it even works as intended will be only marginally better than what we have now. I also haven't heard any talk of stiffer penalties or stricter enforcement against employers of illegal aliens, which won't do wonders for the effectiveness of any of the rest.
 
New limits would apply to U.S. citizens seeking to bring foreign-born parents into the country.

I believe I pointed out in one of the other immigration threads that allowing the current illegals to stay by making them legal would push others who were trying to get here legally back in the line. Looks like I may have been correct.


Also the other things they put into the bill such as 18,000 Border Patrol Agent, a fence etc. It's nice that they want to approve them, but it means nothing since they don't actually have to fund them. Approval and funding are two separate animals.
 
Why doesn't anyone realize that this is exactly like gun control?

They (illegals) are BREAKING THE LAW. "Swimmer" and McCain want to CHANGE THE LAW SO THEY AREN'T BREAKING IT... then make them go home for a bit... BY THE SUPPOSED FORCE OF LAW.

They will have already ignored the law once... why won't they do it again? It's just like "gun free zones" / "victim disarmament zones".

Absolute BS and won't fix the problem.
 
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