Kyle Rittenhouse trial set for early November .

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I haven't been able to watch the trial, but I've read some blog posts and watched some video clips of the trial. In particular, I've been keeping up with this through legalinsurreciton.com. From what I have seen, this has been a total disaster from the prosecution's side. After reading through the blog post on Day 5 or 6, I actually began to wonder if the prosecution is just taking a dive. It's that bad.
 
OK--so let's say at the next protest march a bunch of left wing types--let's say gays with guns--shows up armed to the teeth. And of course, the opposing side--whatever flavor of citizen militia that is fed up with society's subversives (as they see it) also shows up in force armed to the teeth. They line up and face off--someone makes a feint as if to dare someone to shoot and lunges forward. BAM--he get's capped and his head fragments-- spraying others with brain matter. In the ensuing melee dozens are killed and injured.

It's all good, everyone go home and rearm for the next protest, right?
 
After reading through the blog post on Day 5 or 6, I actually began to wonder if the prosecution is just taking a dive. It's that bad.
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I've been keeping up with the proceedings today via the LegalInsurrection live commentary from Branca and I'm getting the distinct impression the prosecutors are getting very frustrated.
 
ghbucky said:
I've been keeping up with the proceedings today via the LegalInsurrection live commentary from Branca and I'm getting the distinct impression the prosecutors are getting very frustrated.
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I'm guessing that frustration comes from not being any good at their job.
 
The drone footage is widely posted now. I just watched it.
I don't have narrative to go with it.
KR is at the open bay door of what could be covered parking.
A person,I assume its Rosenbaum, is rushing KR at a dead run. Think NFL football and KR just caught a ball.
If KR just stands there,he will be slam tackled into the concrete.

When the person rushing is approx 15 feet away,KR fires. As the person rushing is traveling at speed,he carries forward falling.

It would be reasonable to apply the context of whatever transpired between them earlier ( Particularly threats)
 
HiBC said:
The drone footage is widely posted now. I just watched it.
I don't have narrative to go with it.
KR is at the open bay door of what could be covered parking.
A person,I assume its Rosenbaum, is rushing KR at a dead run. Think NFL football and KR just caught a ball.
If KR just stands there,he will be slam tackled into the concrete.

When the person rushing is approx 15 feet away,KR fires. As the person rushing is traveling at speed,he carries forward falling.

It would be reasonable to apply the context of whatever transpired between them earlier ( Particularly threats)
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Here is testimony form the autopsy. https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2021/11/09/rittenhouse-trial-autopsy-photos-rosenbaum-huber/

The prosecution at least is being consistent, the testimony today also backed up Rittenhouse's claim for self defense.
 
If I have it correct, the Medical examiner today testified that the 2nd shot KR fired put soot markings on the palm of Rosenbaum's hand consistent with either being in contact with the barrel or extremely close.

So, Rosenbaum was shot reaching for, or covering the barrel.

That was the 2nd shot of 4. That is how close Rosenbaum got to killing KR.
 
I can't believe this. I missed it completely today. A witness, under oath, testified that the prosecution asked him to alter his testimony.
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I watched all of that and I think the witness misunderstood what he was asked . On cross it seemed the defense asked the same basic question in there meeting just with different wording . It's also my understanding the ADA was talking with him about two different cases in the same meeting related to the same night . I can see how that can be confusing and the party's may jump around a bit . I guess what I'm saying is I'm will to give the ADA the benefit of the doubt at this time even though in general I don't like some of his tactics .

I'll also add the defense witnesses so far do great on direct but seem to get defensive and almost hostel towards the ADA on cross . The prosecutions witnesses seemed to keep there cool a bit better . I will say that the prosecution seems more aggressive in there questioning and posture so that might be why they are getting the responses they are getting . Lot's of objections as well , not sure if that's normal but the defense did not object much which has been a criticism against them by people commenting on the trial .
 
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HiBC said:
When the person rushing is approx 15 feet away,KR fires. As the person rushing is traveling at speed,he carries forward falling.
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Rosenbaum is nowhere near 15 feet away when Kyle shoots him. I think you might have the heat "dots" on the IR video confused. They are about 10-15 feet apart as they're running through the parking lot. The gap closes as Rosenbaum throws the bag and Kyle turns slightly, then widens as Kyle zigs around the car closest to the building and resumes sprinting (as much as he can sprint). Rosenbaum loses ground making the zig so the gap opens up again. Ziminski's gunshot goes off, and a moment later as Kyle reaches the space between two cars he stops running to turn around. Rosenbaum rapidly closes the distance, and Kyle fires when Rosenbaum is at most a few feet away. KR's heat dot isn't as bright as Rosenbaum's, since JR has no shirt on, but you can see Kyle backing up as he fires.

Remember the speed of sound? The sound on the video is actually lagged, so the distance you see between them as you hear the shots fired and as Kyle backs up is actually greater than the true distance they were apart when the round was fired. 340m/s so if the audio's from a video taken about 50 feet away, that's 45ms audio lag. 100ft? That's 90ms audio lag. Considering all four shots took 700ms, that lag becomes significant. Then you have to consider how well the IR drone footage was synchronized with one of the videos that had audio.

If you want to estimate speed of sound more accurately than I just did, weather data suggests Kenosha around midnight that night was 72°F (80% RH, 30.02"Hg, elevation of roughly 184m with Lake Michigan at 174m).
 
Today my client comes over and asked if I had been following the Rittenhouse case , Nope :D JK . I said yes actually a good bit . She then asked what do I think . Not knowing where she is on everything I just gave her a quick opinion on general evidence and what I've seen . She responded with "yeeeeeah but I can't get over he was only 17 and shouldn't have been there" . I agreed and pointed out how nobody should have been out there really and it was not illegal for him to be there . She responded "Yeeeah but he was so young with gun carrying it openly I don't know " I then talked about what great restraint he used by only discharging his weapon at the very last second before great bodily harm may accrue . She responded "Yeeeah but" .... she kept repeating the same basic point . It was painfully clear she was not going to let go that he should not have been there regardless if being there was not actually breaking any laws .

Granted she said she had not watched any of the trial so "maybe" if she was a bit more informed she would change her mind but Barnes talked about this when talking about his poling data . He said there were about 25 to 30% of people that thought Kyle should not have been there with a gun and nothing could get them to let that go . It was interesting to actually talk with someone with that exact mind set . I've known this client for many years and in general I've found her to be fairly reasoned . However she can't get over this child carrying a gun and how if she was his mom .... :rolleyes:
 
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yeeeeeah but I can't get over he was only 17 and shouldn't have been there
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It amazes me that people want to treat 17 yo like children that must be controlled and coddled, but think nothing of the fact that at the same age they can enlist in the military and engage in crazy dangerous activities... like jumping out of airplanes, for example.
 
Summary of day 6 by attorney Andrew Branca: https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/...topsy-expert-supports-selp-defense-narrative/

So apparently Rittenhouse was not an "uninvited and unwelcome" protector after all:

A key value of the appearance of Nicholas Smith was his testimony indicating that the Car Source owners had explicitly requested, gratefully accepted, and offered to pay for, the protection and assistance of himself, Kyle, Ryan Balch, and the others at the Car Source location that night. Further, he testified that the owners had provided the protectors with keys and other means of access to the properties. Smith would work alongside Kyle, Ryan Balch, Jason Lakowski, and Joann Fiedler (the next defense witness), amongst others, to accomplish precisely this.
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The value of this witness to the defense was substantially greater than even the very positive contribution of Smith. Like him, she also testified that she had personally met with the Car Source owners, that they were appreciative of the protection offered, and that the protectors had certainly never been told to leave the property. She would work alongside Kyle, Smith, Ryan Balch, and others to do precisely this.
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... Barnes talked about this when talking about his poling data . He said there were about 25 to 30% of people that thought Kyle should not have been there with a gun and nothing could get them to let that go . It was interesting to actually talk with someone with that exact mind set.
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There are those who feel like KR was there looking for trouble, or at the least absolutely shouldn't have been there and can't see past that issue to really look carefully at the circumstances of the case.

There are also people who immediately decided KR was a hero and can't let go of that mindset long enough to accurately assess the case.

There are also people who can't or won't understand that there were a number of charges and that it's entirely possible for there to be different outcomes for the different charges and therefore they are caught up on one of the charges and are letting that single charge act as a surrogate for the entire list of charges. The result is that they are convinced that KR must be either guilty of everything or totally innocent of all charges.

Then there are some people who seem to be focusing exclusively on the relevant circumstances and forming opinions based on the available evidence.
 
I fear that with the actual evidence so overwhelmingly coming out in KR's favor,
that the torch-bearing/rope carrying-mob has had its spotlight re-directed to
intimidation of the jury.

The judge could issue a directed verdict to that jury, but then the mob spotlight
would be shifted to him.

I do not see this ending well in any scenario.
 
4V50 Gary said:
To me it's a simple case of self-defense. He's fleeing. He hears gunshots behind him. He is knocked down. A gun is pointed at him. Now even the injured attacker admitted to raising a gun towards him. The case is a waste of public funds.

The only question in my mind was the prosecuting attorney (or district attorney) elected with funds from Soros?
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There are jurisdictions where this would not have gone to trial you know.
 
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