Kyle Rittenhouse trial set for early November .

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Given that KR appears to have offered people assistance before shooting Rosenbaum and that in a moment he would be fleeing that very crowd, failing to step into a hostile crowd to attempt first aid on a fellow he just shot doesn't make his carrying a medical kit "bogus". It could just be a reasonable (if late to develop) sense of self-preservation.
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And that's why there's a trial--two sides of the same equation, though I still find KR's lying about his qualifications and employment status--no doubt about it, he lied prior to any action--makes his pretensions dubious.
That doesn't make it an issue in any of the shootings.
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Maybe, maybe not. It is known that KR has an affinity for militia groups with known white supremacy views--both before and after the Kenosha event.
 
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I find the med kit thing a bit bogus--after plugging Rosenbaum, Rittenhouse circles back and doesn't do a frigging thing to attempt to assist in first aid...
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Would you try to administer first aid at a location in the open where people are trying to harm you? I think not.
 
I've been in the middle of an fluid urban gang firefight and even
shot at, so I have at least a passing notion of what it's like.
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I'm afraid that's not quite the same as being actually in a gunfight for your life.

"Very Close Source" experience after a shotgun engagement inside a room in
Falujah during the Surge in which his soldier survived ....

". . . he left the room, walked out the front door, and started throwing up...."
 
It is known that KR has an affinity for militia groups with known white supremacy views--both before and after the Kenosha event.
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source?

So, we are now saying that a white kid shooting white people means the white kid is a white supremacist?
 
Re: kyle and militia groups.
Panther is referencing a picture of Kyle with proud boys. IIRC it's a similar situation to the BRCC issue. It's a guilt by association situation which requires people to jump to conclusions and assume they know things to be true that likely are not.
 
It is known that KR has an affinity for militia groups with known white supremacy views--both before and after the Kenosha event.
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This is 100% inaccurate based on pretrial motions . The prosecution could not establish any ties to any extremist groups prier to the shooting . This is why you don't see any of that in the trial . I'd also agree that since all that are involved are white-ish there would be very little relevance either way .

It wouldn't be to different if a person robbed a straight couple on the street and the judge allowing evidence in showing how the robber hates gay people .
 
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That [race] doesn't make it an issue in any of the shootings.
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Maybe, maybe not. It is known that KR has an affinity for militia groups with known white supremacy views--both before and after the Kenosha event.
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Even if that were true, what does that have to do with whether he validly employed deadly force in self-defense?
 
Even if that were true, what does that have to do with whether he validly employed deadly force in self-defense?
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1000% this. Someone may hold opinions a lot of people don't agree with. That has absolutely no bearing on their right to self defense.
 
Well it appears that the prosecution finally figured out how to prep a witness . Gaige is testifying like LEO does . Turning and talking directly to the jury .
 
My understanding it that various "militia" groups sought Kyle out during the time between the shooting and the trial. Kyle suddenly had a lot of "new friends" and naturally posed with them for pictures. I doubt he considered how those pictures might be used by people who weren't his new friends. though I think his lawyers should have.

As to what he did, or failed to do right after the shooting relating to his intentions before the shooting, that crap will only fly with people who've never been in a life and death situation, or been properly trained about what happens after one. And it doesn't have to be a gunfight.

Forget what people say about what a "reasonable person" or a "person with good intentions" would do. Right after (and for a few minutes after) the event, NO ONE is a "reasonable person". Not the first time, anyway. The body is full of the fight or flight hormones, most notably, adrenalin. and your "normal" thought process IS affected by it.

Everyone has a reaction. How much and what kind is going to be as varied as the person and the circumstances together create. Some people shake. Some might vomit. some just kind of wander about a bit confused about some things. NO ONE is in "their right mind" at that point in time. Prosecutors/defense lawyers will try to convince a jury of people (who are presumably in their right minds) that a person in that situations should do "x" and not doing it means something about their intent but that's BS. That's their opinion, and one not supported by medical fact. If you've ever been in a really dangerous situation, do YOU remember exactly what you did or didn't do, and why, immediately after the crisis moment passed? Or for the next few minutes?? Few do. After a car accident I was in. (and more than just a fender bender) I didn't realize that while talking to by boss on the phone afterwards (telling them I wasn't going to be at work, and why) that I was standing in the middle of the road doing it, until someone one led me to the side of the road...I was perfectly lucid and aware, about talking to work, and totally unaware I was standing in the middle of the road with my wrecked car on the shoulder. EVERYONE has a different level of reaction.

As to rendering medical aid to someone I just shot?? I'm not doing that. Nor am I legally required to. If that make me a cold heartless uncaring SOB, then that's what I am.
 
As to rendering medical aid to someone I just shot?? I'm not doing that. Nor am I legally required to. If that make me a cold heartless uncaring SOB, then that's what I am.
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There was another thread on that very topic some time in the past, and what I took away from that discussion is that if I just had to use deadly force to stop a threat, the last I am going to do is get within arm's reach of the person I just used it against.
 
Don't know if you saw the footage that was just introduced that was shot from a drone--it clearly shows KR wasting Rosenbaum while there was still feet of separation between them.
 
Don't know if you saw the footage that was just introduced that was shot from a drone--it clearly shows KR wasting Rosenbaum while there was still feet of separation between them.
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Feet ? as in arms length , while running towards and lunging at Kyle ??? I'm sure you aren't saying the defendant is required to let the aggressor actually touch him before defending him self ?? I think it's fare to say if an attacker gets ahold of you it very well could be to late to adequately defend your self . There is eye witness testimony form someone that was also just feet away stating Rosenbaum at minimum ran Kyle down and lunged in a way that indicated he was trying to either get ahold of the gun or Kyle him self . Does that video dispute that , Does it show instead of 1 or 2 feet away he was 2 or 3 feet away when shot while aggressively moving towards Kyle .
 
Don't know if you saw the footage that was just introduced that was shot from
a drone--it clearly shows KR wasting Rosenbaum while there was still feet of
separation between them.
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What part of lunging was misunderstood from previous testimony?
What part of wait til he takes your weapon is your intent?
What part of fraction of a second is unclear ?

Life or death
He who decides first....
Is more often the one who walks away.


Not a judgement on KR, so much as a general observation of bitter experience.
 
Don't know if you saw the footage that was just introduced that was shot from a drone--it clearly shows KR wasting Rosenbaum while there was still feet of separation between them.
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OR, it shows KR stopping a deadly threat at more than arm's length distance...
Whether or not he was justified doing that will be determined by the trial verdict.

And, always remember that the single point of view of a camera lens may not accurately show everything involved.
 
I do believe the prosecutor just lost his case.

https://trendingpolitics.com/cased-...idnt-shoot-until-gun-was-pointed-at-him-watch

. Now, Kyle’s attacker Gage Grosskreutz just gave the defense a rock solid admission that should lead to this case being easily dismissed.

“With your arms up in the air, he never fired, right?” asked the defense attorney.

“Correct,” Grosskreutz responded.

“It wasn’t until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him, with your gun and your hands pointed at him, that he fired?”, Kyle’s attorney pressed.

“Correct,” Grosskreutz responded again.
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In addition, I believe there was some testimony that Rosenbaum had 'stippling' on his body today, which as I understand is caused by the muzzle blast from a rifle.. IOW, he was shot at near point blank range.

Which would put an end to the discussion that KR shot him too far away to be a threat.
 
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