If you want to know the truth about Kerry's militarry record go to SwiftVets.com and hear what the veterans who served in swift boats when Kerry was in Vietnam have to say about him.
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Kerry's Real Military Record
- Thread starter Hard Ball
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Kerry was what we Vietnam Era vets call a "Ticket Puncher" Spent as little time as possible putting his butt in danger to be able to tout his militay record. Even wangled a few medals out of the deal. A lot of guys did far more than him and did not even get a "Thank you".
Used his "Military record" and his subsequent anti war activism to his advantage in politics.
Everything this man does is to promote himself, he could care less about how his actions harm others.
But then I guess most if not all politicos do this.
BTW I consider Bush to be a draft dodger, cause that's what he was. I still voted for him, holding my nose, and probably will do so again.
Used his "Military record" and his subsequent anti war activism to his advantage in politics.
Everything this man does is to promote himself, he could care less about how his actions harm others.
But then I guess most if not all politicos do this.
BTW I consider Bush to be a draft dodger, cause that's what he was. I still voted for him, holding my nose, and probably will do so again.
The American public seems focused on medals awarded for Kerry’s Vietnam service, which is quite unfortunate since the real documentation of the quality and excellence of any Naval officer’s performance is – and always has been – his Officer’s Fitness Reports. These semi-annual (for LTJGs) “report cards”, not medals or citations, are the true measure of their service distinction and their suitability for higher-level duties and assignments. I find it EXTREMELY revealing that Senator Kerry has not released his official Fitness Report file, since, if it were favorable, I am sure he would have done so. Therefore, I am forced to conclude it contains at least some adverse information.
marine doc
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Where Were The Corpsman??
I was just reading about John Kerry and his Purple Hearts. What an INSULT to the brave men and women that earned that metal.
I was a grunt corpsman and I never served on a boat. Those boats must have had a corpsman aboard. I would love to hear what they have to say about those injuries!
Semper Fi.
I was just reading about John Kerry and his Purple Hearts. What an INSULT to the brave men and women that earned that metal.
I was a grunt corpsman and I never served on a boat. Those boats must have had a corpsman aboard. I would love to hear what they have to say about those injuries!
Semper Fi.
Doc,
First, as a two-decade retired Naval officer, I sincerely thank you for your service. Very few do more for the well-being, morale, or efficacy of the Naval services than Corpsmen.
Now to answer your question, Swift boats did NOT have an HN aboard. They were small (5 or 6 man crew), led by an inexperienced officer or a more-seasoned petty officer. Further, they usually “cruised” for hours, rarely for a full day. ALL normal shipboard logistics and administrative support – including medical – was provided by the Riverine Squadron’s shore base or (more-typically) by an LST anchored in mid-river.
I note with considerable interest that the LCDR/MD assigned to Kerry’s Riverine Squadron has stated that at least one of his Purple Hearts was fraudulent. As you will well understand, that’s simply disgraceful.
Best regards.
First, as a two-decade retired Naval officer, I sincerely thank you for your service. Very few do more for the well-being, morale, or efficacy of the Naval services than Corpsmen.
Now to answer your question, Swift boats did NOT have an HN aboard. They were small (5 or 6 man crew), led by an inexperienced officer or a more-seasoned petty officer. Further, they usually “cruised” for hours, rarely for a full day. ALL normal shipboard logistics and administrative support – including medical – was provided by the Riverine Squadron’s shore base or (more-typically) by an LST anchored in mid-river.
I note with considerable interest that the LCDR/MD assigned to Kerry’s Riverine Squadron has stated that at least one of his Purple Hearts was fraudulent. As you will well understand, that’s simply disgraceful.
Best regards.
While my service was with the River Patrol Boats (PBR's) and not swifts, I do know that all the garbage Kerry talked of, . . . I never saw one piece of it.
If we were such rapists, murderers, etc., why were we so loved, respected, and fawned over by the occupants of LongXuyen, of CanTho, of SaDec???
I pack a 1911 for rapists, murderers, etc., here, . . . and I sure wouldn't fawn over them like the VietNamese people did us.
One of the worst days of my life was the day SVN fell, . . . I truly loved those folks with whom I had lived, ate, slept, and survived.
Kerry's day is coming, . . . though he may never stand befoe a judge for his treason here, . . . he will stand before The Judge one day, . . . and all his French attornies, his Washington lawyers, and his fraudulent medals won't get him the time of day.
Gotta go, guys, . . . get the old blood pressure up just thinking about him.
May God bless,
Dwight
If we were such rapists, murderers, etc., why were we so loved, respected, and fawned over by the occupants of LongXuyen, of CanTho, of SaDec???
I pack a 1911 for rapists, murderers, etc., here, . . . and I sure wouldn't fawn over them like the VietNamese people did us.
One of the worst days of my life was the day SVN fell, . . . I truly loved those folks with whom I had lived, ate, slept, and survived.
Kerry's day is coming, . . . though he may never stand befoe a judge for his treason here, . . . he will stand before The Judge one day, . . . and all his French attornies, his Washington lawyers, and his fraudulent medals won't get him the time of day.
Gotta go, guys, . . . get the old blood pressure up just thinking about him.
May God bless,
Dwight
marine doc
Inactive
Thankyou RWK
Commander,
Thankyou for your response. Actually Sir, it was very interesting.
Commander,
Thankyou for your response. Actually Sir, it was very interesting.
myopicmouse
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SwiftVets.com are a joke. Complete BS. Me thinks they're in this for themselfs.
Myopic, with respect –
You certainly are entitled to this opinion; however, I would ask a few simply questions to enable the rest of us to judge its validity:
a) Have you ever served in the armed forces?
b) Have you ever served in combat?
c) Have you ever been an officer, with command-level leadership and managerial responsibilities specifically including life-and-death decisions for your men?
d) Have you ever been to Vietnam?
e) Were you even alive during the Vietnamese War?
f) Do you actually know anything about our American society, the United States, and our laws, values, customs, history, and so forth?
I am eager to receive your answers.
You certainly are entitled to this opinion; however, I would ask a few simply questions to enable the rest of us to judge its validity:
a) Have you ever served in the armed forces?
b) Have you ever served in combat?
c) Have you ever been an officer, with command-level leadership and managerial responsibilities specifically including life-and-death decisions for your men?
d) Have you ever been to Vietnam?
e) Were you even alive during the Vietnamese War?
f) Do you actually know anything about our American society, the United States, and our laws, values, customs, history, and so forth?
I am eager to receive your answers.
As for Purple Hearts, my view has always been that they were awarded for being wounded in battle, period. As a young Personnel Specialist for my artillery unit in Vietnam ('69-'70) operating from an LZ in northern I Corps, I was approached by a Warrant Officer the day after a night time alert (incoming rockets and mortar rounds). He wanted me to do the write up for him indicating his eligibility to receive a Purple Heart for being wounded in action. Seems during the alert, he tripped over the foot high fence surrounding the flag pole, lost his helmet, and bonked his head on the pole itself before picking up his helmet and continuing on his way. No blood, no wound, no medic called, just a knot on his head. I refused to do the write up. He got somebody else to do it.
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Hitman32
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Never see this kerry site. Now I can send it to the lib's at work.
Thanks Hardball.
Thanks Hardball.
fyrestarter
New member
RWK, with all due respect, your questions of Myopic are irrelevant to his opinion. His military service, or lack thereof, is not indicative of a lack of understanding of the issue at hand. If he believes the Swiftvets site to be fraudulent, then so be it. However, his belief, without proof, is also without merit. You'd be better off asking him:
1) What PROOF do you have that the site is "BS"?
Gut instinct isn't enough to discredit these soldiers' tales of service and sacrifice.
1) What PROOF do you have that the site is "BS"?
Gut instinct isn't enough to discredit these soldiers' tales of service and sacrifice.
I disagree, with respect. If an individual saw a video, read a book, or listened to a lecture about surgery or -- for that matter, plumbing -- his IN-DEPTH KNOWLEDGE of the subject would certainly be critical in evaluating whether his opinions were expert or merely amateur. That is all I am suggesting. Obviously, myopicmouse is entitled to his beliefs, while we are free to judge the likely validity of those opinions based on his EXPERTISE in the pertinent area, in this case Vietnamese military/Riverine operations.
Fred Hansen
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True enough, but gut instinct isn't necessarily what a veteran is operating on when assessing John "The Franchurian Candidate" sKerry's word(s).
As a Naval veteran I am often faced with talking to people that I know are lying about their service. I am able to know because of the subtle (or not so subtle) ways they will make mistakes in refering to their service. As RWK has so correctly pointed out, intimate knowledge of military service gives persons with that knowledge an insight that is completely unavailable to those without said knowledge.
I look forward to the day when Lt. (Junior Grade) sKerry refers to his service in an intellectually and factually correct manner. Really I do. His pathological lies about it - such as his 1968 C.I.A. op in Cambodia - are shameful and horrifying. The mere fact that an officer would abandon his men in the field after only 4 months - without leaving on a stretcher or in a coffin - is beneath contempt. That he would dare to regale us with tales of such shameful behavior should tell all of us everything we would ever need to know about the man.*
*Please pardon my fast and loose use of the term man. :barf: :barf:
paratrooper
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I was nowhere near Swift Boats , I was a grunt . But I go with Fred on being to tell BS from real . The smallest things will trip someone up . I will say one thing about the entire matter . There were many former servicemen that went on to bigger and better things . Some just died as the heroes they were . There has never been this much bad press about anyone that has any kind of service record . Eisenhower , Audie Murphy , Sgt. York , Patton , Puller and a host of others . Where there's smoke there must be at least a bit of fire . Too many folks are speaking about this for it to not be true . Usually officers will be quiet rather than say something that is borderline . I think LT. Calley had better press than Kerry . He should have left the entire 'Nam thing alone .
