Kerrville Police Shooting Caught On Tape

The guy refusing to obey the officer's commands is already thinking of what he's going to do next. He's leaving his options open. Which is a bad bad move for him and the cops. He's going to run or start shooting. And the cops had to make a decision to not let the situation escalate.

The cops chose not to let there be collateral damage and stop it before it starts. I'd say they were smart. I was surprised the shots came as quick as they did, but if they were to let the situation remain, it would have gotten much more violent.

So, the guy is shot, and he's alive and eats through a tube. He should have listened to the cops. Better yet, he should have not even been there. Maybe now he'll rethink his decisions. If not, we'll he'll always have a reminder.

As for the mother, if course she's upset. What mom wouldn't be? And of course, she'll be mad at those who shot her son. In this case, it was the cops. She would hae been upset if he shot himself. She would have been upset if gangs shot him up. She would have been upset..... In her eyes, her son did no wrong. In any mother's eyes their children can do no wrong. Pssh yeah, "They should have talked to him". Uhuh, right. Like it looked in the video, he was so receptive to what the cops were saying :rolleyes: I think he would have pulled the gun on whatever authority figure walked up on him.

Yes, I was suprised the cops shot that quickly. But reviewing what went on, they kept control of the situation. Cops get killed by letting the time go by when they're in a situation like that. Why should the good guys die? For those routing for the underdog as if the 'poor guy can never catch a break', spare me. This guy had his chance when he got out of the car and they said 'drop it'. All he had to do was open his fingers and let the gun fall to the floor. If it was in his waistband, all he had to do was raise both hands up in the air and surrender. THAT was his "chance" you bleeding hearts cry about. Because he's to stupid to take it, that's now his problem now.
 
We live in a world where BG's are often "rewarded" for not following police orders and doing as they please.

I applaude the cops for shooting him because he was armed, dangerous, and refused to comply. In my book, if I was a cop, I'd have dropped him too.

More BG's need to learn to listen when cops are shouting orders. This guy clearly made a reach for a gun; what else was he doing when he turned his body sideways and reached for his hip, reaching for a scratch? Let's not be naive. He was reaching for a gun, and refusing to comply.
 
Why would he exit his vehicle with a gun? Why would he not comply with their commands? Why did he turn his body away from the officers? Why did he raise his hands in a manner consistent with covertly manipulating a handgun? I don't know? But I will say that if I lived in that neighborhood with my family, or if one of those officers were a member of my family, I would certainly not want to give this irrational, unreasonable, individual a chance to unleash gunfire?
Did the officer shoot quickly, you bet. To his credit. I hope I will be able to recognize the threat as quickly as he did if that situation should ever arise.
 
1 I believe he called the police and threatened to shoot at them? Correct me if I'm wrong.

2 If he wanted to live he would have informed the officers he had a gun without reaching for it

3 If he wanted to live he wouldn't have reached for the gun and then held it in his hands

4 If he wanted to live he would have dropped it after the police yelled DROP THE GUN

TWICE!

He was trying to commit suicide by cop, (which he failed at, he did not die)

Let me ask you idiots who say that it was an unjustified shooting something.

Someone calls you on your phone, threatens to kill you. You get a rifle out. The person appears on your lawn as your mowing it, they clearly have a gun in their hand (tsavo the police DID see a gun).

Would you:
A: Attempt to take him down with non lethal force because you think hemight be trying to commit suicide

or
B: Shoot him until he dies
 
Cobray Commando: I disagree with your position, but I do so without calling you an idiot.

Regardless.....

Look at the video - that is the only evidence that You and I have to go on. What I see is that the guy gets out of the car, closes the door, holds his hands in front of him at waist height and is then shot. From the time he exited the car until the time he was shot was about 5 seconds. He was moving very slowly and in a non-threatening non-agressive manner. At no time did he raise his hands up in a threatening manner. BAD SHOOTING. It was a trigger happy reaction.

I don't want to be around cops that shoot too soon. I don't wat to get pulled over some day and not react fast enough to suit some cop and get shot for it. Put yourself in the drivers position, and imagine the cops have made a mistake about who you are. Do you want cops that shoot that fast when they aren't even in danger? Not me.
 
How to stop a suicide......

Kerrville police officer shoots, wounds man
Web Posted: 01/19/2005 12:00 AM CST

Zeke MacCormack
San Antonio Express-News

KERRVILLE — A local man was expected to survive being shot in the face Tuesday by police responding to a report from his family that he was threatening to kill himself, officials said.

Police Sgt. Mike Cagle said officers were called to a home on Bluebonnet Drive at 8:54 a.m. on a report of a possibly suicidal person.

Less than a mile from the home, they encountered and stopped Alfredo Ramirez Jr., 22, in a Mazda sedan on Town Creek Road, Cagle said.

Police said Ramirez left his car and brandished a pistol, ignoring orders by four officers to drop the weapon.

Cagle said Cpl. John Knoulton, fearing for his safety, fired once, hitting Ramirez in the mouth area.
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I say it was a BAD SHOOTING.
 
Kudos to the officer!

Looks like armed individual wanted "Death by Cop" instead of being found guilty and being someones "bitch" in prison. Think he should be put in for extra time, just for being stupid. Drop the gun!!! Hmmmm, use it or drop it, don't be stupid about it......
 
Since when does "Raising his arms" become the only way to present a threat?

How about lowering your arm, (you know, to where your pistol is tucked in your wasteband), then placing your hand on the pistol and begin to remove it.....
 
Anything is possible, but when I look at the video I say the shot came before it was clearly necessary. If a cop is going to try and kill someone, it should be clearly necessary before he tries.

At that range and with a rifle, the cop should have made a better shot too. He should should have made a clean kill. The cop is not only trigger happy, he isn't a good shot.
 
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I certainly would not want to give an armed, unreasonable, irrational, lawbreaker the oppurtunity to display his shooting skill with myself and fellow officers as the target.
"Clearly necessary" sounds to me like allowing the individual described above the chance to make the first move and possibly injure someone. Why would I or the officer involved do that? HE, is the lawbreaker. The officer involved is law enforcement. Clearly, if this individual exited his vehicle with a firearm in this situation, he intends to do harm.
It is not the officers job to surmise who the lawbreaker intends to harm, but to make sure it is not himself, fellow officers, or the law abiding citizens of the district he is sworn to protect.
 
So, is the best way to prevent a person from committing suicide to shoot him first? I guess that would be an effective technique.
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Based on point of bullet impact I'm guessing the officer aimed for his head and missed--wtf, that's shooting to kill not stop isn't it... Anyway it look to me like he was thinking about what to do next, gun pointed at the ground, no movement--bang. Probably the only reason he's getting charged with a misdemeaner too. With that shooting he may actually walk anyway. It'd be smarter to charge him with attempted suicide and get him the help he needs--based on others comments here he may have been trying suicide by cop and just paused to get the nerve when they shot him.
 
Bottom line is that it's a bad shooting. I'm glad some people here are agreeing with me on this. Cops are suppose to take risks, that their job. If every cop just shot someone who did what this guy did there would be little or no risk in being a cop and a whole lot of dead people.
 
Tsavo :mad: Cops are supposed to take risks? It is their job? NO. Enforcing laws and protecting the law abiding are the jobs law enforcement take the oath for.
I can see them at their daily briefing, officer Smith being reprimanded by his captain and docked $100 for not taking enough mandatory risks that week! :D paaaleeese.
 
Enforcing the law in a resonable manner, ie not guning people down, involves certain risks. Fireman take risks, cops take risks, military people take risks. That's their ****ing job. If they want to play it safe then go teach 4th grade gym and lose the badge.
 
Riiiiiiiggggghhhhhttttt....

I remember telling my wife that if I got killed it was just my job-I HAD to let the bad guys get a free shot, that was how it worked. :rolleyes:


Larry
 
If they want to play it safe then go teach 4th grade gym and lose the badge.
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pssh, I don't know about that. The school systems these days and the undisciplined kids, I'd say being a teacher is risky. I've coached and sat kids where I'd have loved to be carry a pistol :p
 
zap zap...........TASER!

too bad they didnt have a long range stun gun or bean bag gun, the guy who got shoot should be thanking the Lord, Jesus, he is still alive or not brain dead.

remember kids, when the Cops yell, "get your hands up", "on the ground", you GET YOUR HANDS UP, or GET ON THE GROUND! :rolleyes:
 
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