Kerrville Police Shooting Caught On Tape

So what if he hadn't pointed the gun at anyone yet? That just leads to "Well, he was aiming it, but he didn't fire it" and then "Well, he fired it, but it didn't hurt anyone" and then to "Well, he shot somebody, but he didn't kill them"
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Rugerdude, that logic can be extended back to they should have shot him while he was still sitting in the car. After the heat of action, arm-chair quarterbacking can be an obnoxious thing. With video though it becomes a viable exercise.

Again, at the point that he was shot he was not threatening anyone, not even himself. At the point that he was shot, only one officer felt like there was a reason to shoot, and there were several officers there on the scene. At the point that he was shot he had not raised the weapon to a horizontal position. At the point that he was shot, he was basically just standing there. Until he rasied the gun to at least horizontal the cops had no idea if he was going to surrender or attack.

I say it again - based on the video - BAD SHOOTING.
 
Wow he really gave him a chance to "drop it". They fired as soon as he moved his hand. Even if they could have seen the gun, which they didn't, he wouldn't have had time to drop it anyways. Good point :rolleyes:
 
Let us retrogress to the America we all loved, back fifty, sixty, seventy years when men were men and ladies were just that.

Through all the wuss stuff and women wearing britches and men wearing pink panties and the non existant big rock candy world.........

Some people just need killing! And it will go on when necessary although the Government and the State tend to this now and we citizens do not generally
tend to such affairs without extremely serious after effects.
 
How he got dead:

He had a gun in-hand in front of cops.
He refused to comply with orders to be submissive and non-aggressive.
He had a gun in-hand if front of cops.
His clothing was baggy and you couldn't observe both of his hands
He had a gun in-hand in front of cops.

Did I mention he had a gun in-hand in front of cops? There are enough police shootings of people carrying an order of take-out, much less a gun.

And what is with letting (presumably) that man's children watch him die? For that, someone at the news organization needs a good steady bitch slapping for oh, I don't know, maybe 3-4 days.
 
Someone tell me how to ignore all future posts by a user please.

Tsavo your idiocy knows no bounds. Anyways he says it twice, how many is too much? I advise you to watch the Dinkeller video and see what happens when an officer uses only verbal orders and does not stop the situation when the orders are not followed. You don't hold a gun when police pull you over and you sure as hell don't hold onto it when told to drop it.

Now please I need this ignore function.
 
My speakers are broken, yet it's very clear to me that he falls down less than 1 second after he moves his hand. So explain to me how he has time to "drop his weapon".
 
Your speakers are broken and yet you are so quick to pass an all knowing judgement.

How quaint.

I still need that ignore function.
 
Because they were telling him what to do about 10 times starting BEFORE he got out of the car. They kept telling him all along. I'm not saying he had it coming but there is a point where being stupid will get you dead 100% of the time. It's not like he was 15 years old or something. A middle aged man probably has a 100% knowledge that police shoot people holding guns that ignore instructions.

Am I the only one upset with the news people for allowing the children to watch that tape?

Jim
 
Okay, so cops pull him over and he gets out with a gun. Now, if he had left the gun in the car, it would be different, but he not only gets out with the gun, but he also refuses to put it down after multiple verbal orders.

I ask again, why is a man with a gun refusing to cooperate with police not threatening?

BTW, nobody was killed.
 
butch:
Until he rasied the gun to at least horizontal the cops had no idea if he was going to surrender or attack.
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If he was going to surrender, he'd have done it by then.

He said he was going to shoot cops. If he's going to shoot at cops, when the gun goes horizontal, it goes bang and if he's a good shot a man dies.

Try this with a friend and a couple of airsoft guns. You hold a gun on him, heck, aim it at him. Even better- put finger on the trigger if you want. Have him hold a gun down at the ground then shoot when he wants. Maybe you can beat him, but even if you do, it's awful close.
 
Wait. Nobody died? WTF? Stupid, inept, ^&*%#$#()*()*(&*$ police.

Ok, I'm switching over to the anti-cop side.
 
This guy threatens to shoot at officers via a cell phone conversation. Then pulls out a gun. I don't care if he was just planning on scratching his head with that gun, it was a stupid move to just stand there holding it (or pulling it out in the first place). He didn't listen to the officer's commands twice, and was considered a threat and shot.

Good for the officer. It wouldn't have taken long for this guy to raise his gun and fire on the officer. Less than a half a second. I think the officer did the right thing, considering the guy would not drop his weapon and already threatened to kill officers.
 
If he was going to surrender, he'd have done it by then.
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At the point that he was shot, he had not shown any attempt to shoot at the police. Again, this is from the video so it is a two dimensional recording. But, he got out of the car, shut the door and stood there with his hands in front of him at waist level.

The cop that shot him said "he was in fear for his life". I call BS on that cop. He wasn't in fear of losing his life, he was trigger happy. Watch the video and tell me that the cops were in real immediate danger. BS.

A BAD SHOOTING!
 
I'm not suprised a lot of people are siding with the cops seeing as how most people think a ccw license is a license to kill let alone a police badge.
 
I'm pretty sure he did not get dead at all.

Also the only officer who shot was the only one with a rifle, he was obviously the DDM and I commend the other officers for not firing on the already disabled subject. Damned decent of them, not sure I would not have fired.
 
Actually I tend to lean against CCW. I didn't until I joined this forum. I was staunchly pro-CCW until I joined this forum. Now I'm not sure.

And I'm at least skeptical of the police. I don't remember an interaction with a cop in a long, long time when they were doing crime prevention. Mostly they do armed tax collection (commonly know as traffic enforcement). I think most police are a complete waste of time and resources. When I have a problem, I just deal with it.

But I do think the guy was asking for it. Figuratively if not literally. And that is possible too.

Jim
 
I still have a hard time getting my head around this. If he threatened to kill police over a cell phone (something I must have missed from the news report), who did he call? The station? And when he was pulled over, was he on his way to the doughnut shop? Was his tail light out? We begin with the cop out of his car with an assault weapon, and this guy getting out of his car. I am not jumping to conclusions either way, but there has to be more to the story.
 
"I'm not suprised a lot of people are siding with the cops seeing as how most people think a ccw license is a license to kill let alone a police badge."

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Based solely on what's seen on this tape, I have SERIOUS reservations about this shooting.

Funny, though.

It would appear (at least if I'm remember correctly) that some of the people who are applauding this shooting have spoken out vehemently against the Ruby Ridge shootings.
 
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