Just saw "The Patriot"

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Great movie except for the scene in the church where the young woman has to inspire the men to fight. Pastors were a main force in the revolution. Ever hear of The Black Brigade? You can get an excellent video from The Church at Kaweah on this. It’s called Pastors of the American Revolution and the Ideas of Liberty, Hosted by John Quade (the actor). The phone number is 559-561-4860.

How many of you fought off the urge to yell "remember Waco" when they torched the church? I won't resist the urge the second time I watch the movie!
 
I’ve been avoiding going to movies which feature anti-gun actors or actresses since I refuse to add my money to their wealth.
Isn’t Mel Gibson one of the antis? Didn’t he shoot his mouth off against firearms ownership in one of those ridiculous “Lethal Weapon” movies?
Have I been wrong about Mel Gibson?
 
I also teared up when the daughter finally spoke to him. Great friggin movie! I don't care that there may be historical discrepencies. The movie was trying to make a point. The kid getting shot in the back, the church burning, etc. The Randy Weaver incident, Waco, etc. Plus the action really got my blood going. I caught myself growling when Mel was slaughtering the Brits in the first action sequence. Groovy movie!

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>>I’ve been avoiding going to movies which feature anti-gun actors or actresses since I refuse to add my money to their wealth.
Isn’t Mel Gibson one of the antis? Didn’t he shoot his mouth off against firearms ownership in one of those ridiculous “Lethal Weapon” movies?
Have I been wrong about Mel Gibson?<<

No, Mel is not one of the antis. He starred in a movie that had anti-gun messages but it wasn't his movie or his message, it was the director, Richard Donner's.
 
Mel Gibson was on the morning show with Katie "I'm so cute!" Couric. He seemed tense - very, very tense.

However, it went well, ie without antagonism from the gun-hating Couric.

Gibson explained the character Benjamin Martin was a collage of many different characters of that time. He also mentioned that all of the countries in the war had skeletons in their closets.

I missed much of the interview by dreading a Rosie-like attack against Gibson. What a relief it never came.

As a movie, it moved me! I would rather see "The Patriot" a second time than see the bigger box office hit, "The Perfect Storm" for the first time.

As Paul Revere noted, take Kleenex. I'd also take something to grip hard ( :mad: ) from time to time.

Aim small, miss small.

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
 
Gents: my wife set me straight... Mel is a Card carrying NRA Member...his kids and wife are all shooters!.... Hoorah for the good guys!

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What part of "INFRINGED" don't they understand?
 
"Bundling":

Extra beds and bedrooms were expensive in what was a frontier. For example, in Colonial Williamsburg, men visiting the town stayed in a tavern and share a bed (often with four or more others). Women stayed with friends in town. As a result of the cost of an extra room, in some situations, unmarried children of opposite genders shared beds because there was an age beyond which is was considered even more unseemly for an adult and a teen to share a bed. The methods of preventing interaction were 1) standing a board between the two and strapping them down to the bed, or 2) sewing the male up to his neck in a course cloth bag. The bedboards were sometimes prized possessions which were handed down between generations.

I thought he coy manner in which the movie dealt with the subject was very nice.

Bobbalouie
 
Well, I have to say that I had fun with it but several scenes were so far over the top I just couldn't handle it. Also, I agree that the colonials came out smelling pretty clean in their treatment of black characters.

BUT....we actually left the house intending to see Fantasia 2000 before finding out that we'd missed the last showing. I talked Missy into trying the Patriot, and she liked it much more than I did. I really think it clarified some things for her that I've only confused her by trying to put into words. I'm grateful for that, anyway.
 
You went to see Fantasia 2000 when the Patriot was showing? Oh Yeah, you're committed. Let's see, fantasy from Walt Disney or some historical based movie about the Revolutionary War of your country released on the weekend celebrating our Independence? Sounds like Missy is the one with the cojones.

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There's an interesting article in the Smithsonian about the movie. It reports that there was only about 600 (reen)actors on the battlefield, and that they were digitally reproduced to increase their numbers. The Smithsonian was consulted with regards to firearms, accessories and bullet making (anybody else noticed that the bullets Martin was cutting the sprue from weren't freshly casted?), and of course, uniforms (they pulled out George Washington's uniform for the designers to study). Check it out.
 
I finally saw it.
On the 4th of July I went... I dont go in for the fireworks as my PTSD rears its ugly head during them - so I watched The Patriot.

This is the FIST movie that has IMO lived up to its hype.
Very well done. Very powerful film.
Glad I own it now. (dont ask)
 
An article that focused on some neat elements of The Patriot that should appeal to readers here.
Jeff
http://www.msnbc.com/news/428878.asp

War of words
over 'The Patriot'Hollywood's horror over conservative family values
By John H. Fund
MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR
    July 4 —  In 1996, when director Roland Emmerich made his last Fourth of July spectacular, "Independence Day," both presidential candidates endorsed his film. But that was science fiction. His latest film, "The Patriot," is about the founding of our nation and some of it rubs politically correct elites so raw that they slapped an "R" rating on it for portraying children defending themselves with guns.   
       MANY CRITICS have tried to dismiss the epic as simplistic, tub-thumping patriotic drivel. "There isn't an idea in it that will stand up to thoughtful scrutiny," huffs PBS critic Roger Ebert. Other critics claim "The Patriot" lacks heart. "There is no majesty, no feeling here: it's all FX and costuming," says Stephen Hunter of the Washington Post. This is bizarre for a film that dwells on the human impact of war on family and loved ones.
       Still other critics correctly see "Patriot" star Mel Gibson as the next John Wayne, a new embodiment of American individualism, and they don't like it one bit. "The Patriot is right-wing hogwash bathed in an olde-timey golden glow," writes Arion Berger of the Washington City Paper. "Now the disgruntled, home-schooling, SUV-buying, pro-militia-but-cautious-suburban-family-values working man has a movie to call his own." This about a film that barely mentions the tax revolt at the heart of the American Revolution.       
CONSERVATIVE FAMILY VALUES Politically correct controversy over a film that explores the human impact of war on family and loved ones.
       Time out. Now we know in part why so few Revolutionary War feature films have been made - less than a dozen compared to 407 on World War II and even 72 on Vietnam. It's not just the strange costuming or a reluctance to make the Brits the bad guys.
        "What you've got is folks that Hollywood would think are 'right-wing Christian gun nuts,'" says film critic Michael Medved. Indeed, Mark Gordon, who produced the acclaimed "Saving Private Ryan," admits that the Motion Picture Assn. Of America was upset by the scene of an 11-year-old firing a musket after British soldiers had killed one of his brothers. It led to the film's "R" rating. "We really wanted to get a PG-13 for "The Patriot,' but there was no way," a Sony Pictures executive told the Los Angeles Times. "The ratings board is very sensitive to any connection between violence and children, and here it's intrinsic to the story. Take it out, and the whole movie falls apart."       
 Screenwriter Robert Rodat, who wrote "Saving Private Ryan," defends the scene by pointing out the film immediately shifts to the boy telling his father (the Mel Gibson character) that he's glad he killed a soldier: "The look of dread on Mel's face shows us the repercussions of their actions. What scares me is violence that is realistically depicted with no repercussions." Indeed, there have been many films depicting children involved in combat that haven't earned an "R" rating. The Mel Gibson character resembles the Virginia farmer played by James Stewart who tries to save his family from the Civil War in "Shenandoah." Films showing Jewish children taking up arms against Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising have been hailed. So too have those depicting children confronting policemen enforcing apartheid in South Africa. A double standard here shouldn't apply to depicting war on the home front.
       NO BEEF WITH THE BRITS
       The British do have a proper beef with some elements of the film. Even though this is the first movie project the Smithsonian Institution has ever consulted on, dramatic license takes over at times. The most memorable atrocity - the burning of a church with the congregation inside - can't be found in Revolutionary history. But the British are not portrayed as Nazis, as hysterical reviews in British papers have claimed. Jeremy Isaacs, the British actor who plays the Darth Vader-like Colonel Tavington, notes that in the film, "My superiors are very unhappy with the way I'm behaving and my men balk at carrying out the orders I give them. So the notion that the British are represented badly is nonsense. I am the bad guy."
       
PERSONAL FREEDOM
       It's easy to read too much into "The Patriot," which most people will go see as a crowd-pleasing adventure. But unlike many popcorn dramas, there is meat on its bones. "This film is about personal freedom - which many people take for granted today," says Mel Gibson. Its essential message is the same one that Thomas Paine told the colonists about in his pamphlet "Common Sense." It comes from the Israel of the Bible: Sooner or later, the king unchecked will come for your sons.
       That should be a universal message, untied to any ideology, since tyrants have come in all hues, shapes and sizes throughout history. It's time for a cease fire on the politics of "The Patriot," and for critics to appreciate it on its own terms and not through the lens of their own contemporary sensitivities.
       
       
John H. Fund is a member of the Wall Street Journal editorial board and a regular contributor to MSNBC on the Internet.
       
       
         
 
Some interesting posts here about the movie. I too thought it was a great one.

I have a few minor quibbles with the history and characterization as well, but why is it that anytime a war movie comes out, it's always judged, particularly by the liberals, in terms of whether or not it shows how bad war is, and how all people are really the same, there's good and bad on every side, blah blah blah.

But I do think they alluded to all those things the liberals like...though perhaps some folks just didn't pick up on it.

For the guy (Mike H?) who's upset cause some people act out what they see in movies...so friggin what? You going to hold movies accountable for some morons' behavior?

As far as Brit-hating goes...I'll admit that I despise the British government in a visceral way, for eliminating private firearms ownership among its subjects...but then, I also despise those British subjects who asked for it and allowed it...or despise any statist government that makes decisions for its subjects...

...in the same way that I despise our own federal government's gun grabbers, tyrants, and other citizens who crave the elimination of personal arms in the US.
 
I thought the movie was very powerful. I loved it! However, after seeing it on Independence Day, I had to go rent something funny (Austin Powers) afterwords in order to keep myself from being terminally depressed thinking of how much things have changed and how disgusted those men would be at how things are today. :( Hopefully it will make a lot people think the same.

ps...I hope BillX is just teasing Don! :confused:

[This message has been edited by CindyH (edited July 05, 2000).]
 
Thanks for setting me straight on where Mel Gibson stands on the gun issue.
I can go see the movie with clear conscience now.
 
Great movie, but time for part 2.


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