Just caused a person to turn down a job offer,,,

For what its worth, I gave up my guns to move to NJ to attend Rutgers. It drives me crazy not being able to clean my guns or go shoot them. And ranges that rent guns are few and far between. Been here 9 months and can't wait to leave... Only 3 months until graduation.


Also, NJ just recently passed a law that NJ government workers must live within NJ. They realized they had a problem with teachers living in PA but working in NJ. But I don't know if working at a public university like Rutgers makes a professor a government worker. Does anybody know the answer?
 
There are lots of places I'd love to move to but won't. Not if I have a choice. Said places don't believe in the Constitution of the United States.

An absolute tragedy and travesty.
 
Too bad he got talked out of a job. They're hard to come by in this economy.

BTW people in New Jersey do own guns. There are members of TFL who live there. New Jersey has several rifle ranges, both in doors and out.

There is no license needed to own a gun. So someone moving from another state would have no problem keeping their guns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_(by_state)#New_Jersey

He would need a license to buy a new gun once in New Jersey and some types of weapons are restricted.

Hopefully the guy doesn't have a family he has to feed.
 
It's true that youo have to pay taxes in both states as I live in Pa but work in NY state. Pay state taxes in both states but usually my NY taxes break even so I don't have to pay them anything or I get a very small rebate. My wife would love to move there so I can be closer to work but a half hour drive isn't a problem for me to do. This way I can own any type of firearm that I want (with appropriate licenses) and still have a good income.
 
My guns aren't important enough to me to turn down a quality of living increase.
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My guns are part of my quality of life as is having good places to shoot them. So are lots of other things about where I live such as having lots of lakes (10,000 is an understatement, it's more like 12,000 not counting ponds), rivers, and forests to hike and camp in. It's also things like having laws and ordinances that I can accept ... small things like 70mph speed limits, being able to own multiple cars and boats (some places you can't have anything outside :eek:), having tax rates I can afford, having a decent job market, and of course being able to buy what I want, when I want for guns. I could move elsewhere and make a lot more money but I'd be a lot less happy. I could probably also move elsewhere and make less money but yet be even more happy. I'll never do the former, but I may very well do the latter some day.

If you have to get a job and you have to pay for a home and put food on the table ... then you have to do what you have to do (I have a friend working in ND while his family is still here in MPLS). I'm guessing this guy has some options though and can afford to choose the job he wants. I've turned down three good jobs because of where they were ... Chicago, and Near Boston in MA (2x). Never regretted it once.
 
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He's not going to starve or go homeless,,,

He's not going to starve or go homeless,,,
He still has his part-time position here at OSU,,,
That gives him about a year to find something else.

In fact he could probably keep teaching here (part-time) for years.

The original point of this post was to comment on,,,
How people may think all states have similar gun laws.

A few years ago a professor moved from here to Massachusetts,,,
There was an opening at his college that I would have fit into perfectly.

The job paid a heck of a lot more than I make here at OSU,,,
He encouraged me to apply because with his recommendation I would be in.

But I researched their gun laws and decided that they were too restrictive,,,
I'll be darned before I would live where some local PD can say Yea or Nay to me owning a gun.

Several of my friends were amazed at my reasons,,,
I was amazed that they didn't understand.

But again as I said before,,,
If I wouldn't have read things in this forum,,,
I probably wouldn't have thought to check on their laws.

It may not be my place,,,
But from now on out if I know someone is into guns,,,
When they start their job search I will advise them to research state gun laws.

Aarond

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More education often means more choices.

My guns are not more important to me than any particular job. As a matter of fact, I'll happily sell you one.

My rights, however, are not for sale and my PhD makes it likely I can find another job here in TX if I need one.

I might move to a rights-restrictive state if I couldn't get a job elsewhere, but it would be at the bottom of any list.

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I grew up in NJ and owned lots of guns. You needed to get a firearms I.D. card, then you could buy whatever long guns you wanted. For each handgun, you had to go to the police department and get a permit, but it was no problem. Have things changed beyond that?
 
Still can't carry them in NJ, for all practical purposes.

Frequent scares about non-grandfathered new restrictions in NJ.

To some of us, needing permission to buy a handgun is an affront.
 
If he has other options then I wouldn't go there either. If he's a young single man I would NOT put roots down in jersey.

Now, if it's take the job or live under a bridge, then I may consider it.

I'm currently stuck in md, not at all happy about it. However, I have a family to support and it was the only real option for me.
 
I'm currently stuck in md, not at all happy about it. However, I have a family to support and it was the only real option for me.
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Your post seems to be quite contrary to your sig line.

Hope you are looking at options.
 
This is very complex and job strategies aren't our thing.

But - it depends on PhD field and your life choice.

Tenure track jobs in some fields are almost impossible to find. It is recommended that you don't get a PhD in the humanities nowadays. Psychology and the STEM fields are better but professoriate jobs are still tough.

If one's life goal is to be a professor, it's a tough choice.

BTW, I left a gun friendly, CCW state for one that had NO carry permits - this was for a much better job. Guess what the gun unfriendly state was then - TEXAS. Haha - the CHLs came in later. So I couldn't carry my Glock in Texas for a bit. I got a 1/3 raise in my salary and much better housing costs.

Not really relevant but one has to think about the overall picture.

One can get started on the job, and then move if you have a good vita.

I do think the person shows little common sense in not scoping out the job location before applying. Faculty searchs are a royal pain and quite expensive. Some job markets are a tight knit group. If it is known he turned down a job for gun permits (that he didn't check out before) - expect to be on the bad candidate list.
 
Somewhat off subject, but I felt the need (excuse me, merely a desire) to respond to Glenn's post.

I have lived in Texas for more than 60 years and have carried a firearm either in my vehicle or on my person for all my adult life (and then some).

I have never found Texas to be a "gun unfriendly" state.

Back in the day, there were likely some "gun unfriendly" laws.

For better or worse, LEOs had a lot more discretion then and laws were seen as a way to manage criminals and often were not actually routinely applied to most otherwise law-abiding citizens.

That being said, I also have never run afoul of law enforcement in Austin, Dallas, or Houston which have (sometimes in recent history) been, perhaps, a different story.

We still have some "catching up" to do here in good ol' Texas.

A lot depends on one's personal financial situation: I'd move if I had to.

Will
 
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"Some of us don't see firearms or rights primarily as toys."

"There are lots of places I'd love to move to but won't. Not if I have a choice. Said places don't believe in the Constitution of the United States.

An absolute tragedy and travesty"
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I agree with what some have posted above.

It all depends on your personal situation. If this job is one that puts food on the table, or you will be unemployed if you didn't take it, that's a different story. I would give up my 2A rights (temporarily of course) for that reason.

But remember that there is no price for your rights. You can always look other jobs elsewhere, even if the pay is less. The priority decision is yours. Are your 2A rights and freedoms worth, say a $1million/yr job in NYC??
 
I have always lived, worked, and traveled in the deep South, where we still believe in the Constitution.

Guns aren't a toy or a hobby for me. They are a part of my upbringing and culture, something that's deeply ingrained around here.

Just like an East Coaster is to gasp if you tell him you CCW, a Southerner will be glad to discuss what kind of gun and concealment options. The same goes when you say you take your kids to the gun range or hunting to teach them basic gun safety and shooting fundamentals.

I work in an academic environment, but around here it's more than biased for gun ownership... except when we get the occasional transplant from the North.

I can sympathize with the guy. I'd have to be desperate to give up a huge part of my life for a job...
 
Having read a lot of different forums including NJgunforums, I have friends in NJ and have studied the history of NJ gun laws.

Before I go further, let me state people are paying $10,000 to $20,000 in property taxes there. An mediocre house in a somewhat decent neighborhood can run well over $400,000.

Thinking of renting? Prepare to spend $1000 to $2000 for an apartment. Apartment hunting is an 'adventure'. Friends related to me that you have to buy a 'list' for $100 to $150 from a place called 'Home Hunters'. Then you get to see what apartments are available.

If you are 'lucky' to find an apartment for $1500, you have to pay the first months rent, security and the 'brokers fee'. We are talking $4500 cash outlay just to get an apartment. Unless the apartment has parking space, you park on the street. Unless you spend $200 a month for a garage...that is if you can find a garage. Then there is down payment for utilities, phone, cable.

In addition, car insurance costs is sky high, the traffic is a nightmare and very expensive with the amount of toll roads that encompass that state. Things that are perfectly legal in other states are prohibited in New Jersey. It is a highly regulated state, so much that one person (on a NJ gun forum) wanted to build a simple bird house, found out he needed a building permit from the city...a birdhouse...

Some towns will fine you $1,000 or smoking a cigarette in a city park (Clifton has this ordinance). Fireworks are illegal so are sling shots and Daisy BB Rifles require a Firearms ID card.

You need that firearms ID card to look at a gun in NJ, buy a rifle or handgun ammunition. It takes 3 to 6 months to get the 'card' and requires fingerprints, references (including references from YOUR employer in some towns), mental health check, background check and $80 in fingerprint and application fees.

You need a separate handgun permit to purchase permit for each handgun you want to buy. Be aware that BB pistols and even black powder pistols are considered handguns in New Jersey. Did I mention the one handgun per month law? Forget concealed carry in that state.

NJ is a POC state, the state runs the NICS for both rifles and pistols. Be aware they are closed for state holidays, Sundays and have limited daily hours compared to the Federal NICS. Did I mention that the state tacks on a $16 fee for each NICS transaction?


In my opinion, your friend made a good decision by passing up that job in NJ. If he gets a job for $20,000 less elsewhere, he would still come out ahead financially.
 
Psyfly - no offense, my reply was trying to be a touch sly.

TX was a gun friendly state but when I came here, Governor Annie was against CHLs. I left Oregon where I had a CCW permit. I was just commenting a touch on surface stereotypes.

On the other hand, carrying a gun in the car had restrictions and didn't do Dr. Gratia-Hupp much good at Luby's.

I still am of the opinion that the person in question has to look at total life goals in a truly horrific academic job market.
 
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