Jeff Cooper's Scout rifle

"General purpose rifle" is how Cooper describes it in his book "To Ride, Shoot Straight...". His group of friends that made up the First Scout Rifle Conference dubbed the GP rifle a "scout" rifle. Probably sounds more romantic and adventuresome to a bunch of guys than "general purpose."

From what I can gather from his discussion of it, it is certainly not made for military combat. He says it is for the lone man, or small party that needs to take targets of opportunity be they man or beast. The primary characteristics should be easily mobile, powerful enough for 700 lbs animals (or vehicles), and able to hit on the first shot to any range the man is capable of shooting.

He mentions the idea is to NOT get into prolonged engagements with superior forces. After one or two shots you have to move quickly or you will be pinpointed. It is not suited for urban combat or defending a position. Shoot from distance and scoot.

He also mentions how several firearms embody many of these attributes but not all: lever action, Remington 600 (or probably modern Model 7). Mannlicher, etc. He specifically mentions that a detachable box magazine is not required or even necessarily desirable, but could be possibly configured to act in place of a magazine cutoff. He does mention though that his studies indicate the .308 Winchester does best in a barrel of at least 19 inches. One thing that is of paramount importance is a good trigger for accurate shooting at longer ranges.

It does seem that some of the guidelines are somewhat arbitrary or got set in concrete needlessly or through too much group think. What is magical about 3kg or one meter? Does a quarter pound more make that much difference that you should spend another $300 to trim it?
Or sacrifice optimal 19" barrel length just to fit 39" length instead of 40" or 41"? And if the intent is to be engaging targets at distance, how much more valuable/effective is a LER 2x scope in that situation as compared to a 2-7x compact scope?

I think the endeavor to define a general purpose rifle is admirable and adds to the body of knowledge of the art of the rifle. But for each one of us we have to evaluate that concept in terms of our own situation.

It seems to me that for urban or dense woods environments a lever action with red dot scope or LER scope would be a great "scout rifle" and one should not feel inadequate just because it does not score top points with the group of buddies calling themselves the Scout Rifle Conference. Likewise, a Rem Model 7 (or other lightweight short action) in .243 or .260 with a 1-4x or 2-7x compact scope is 90% there for more open terrain.

I would like to try a Ruger Scout, but I would be more than happy and confident with a Savage Lightweight in 7mm-08. The Ruger Scout does come closest though at about the same price as other Rugers with stainless steel in a (too) compact barrel, Mauser style bolt, iron sights for backup. It is kind of ironic though that Cooper stated on of the reasons for the LER scope was to make it easy to grasp the rifle at the balance point. That long magazine messes that up. They should have stayed with the standard M77 internal mag.

I wouldn't like giving up the barrel length, and I don't see the need for a long single stack magazine, but considering all the other features in one package I could live with those. I might have just talked myself into a Ruger Scout. :)
 
hunting with a Savage scout

I hunt whitetails w/ a Savage Scout a bit, say 8-10 hunts, every year for the past 10 years or so. W/o checking my notes, I can't say just when I bought the rifle.

It is pre accutrigger and has the rather clunky boxy tupperware factory stock that someday I'll change. The rifle wears a Leupold LER scope, 2.75x, in detach rings. The scope has been back to Leupold for a German #1 reticule. More on that later. The rifle has the best trigger of any factory trigger I own. No kidding. That trigger makes the rifle very shootable. The Cooper phrase about the trigger being "the connection to your target" was very apt. I am always a bit surprised at how well I do w/ the Savage Scout. Off the bench the rifle will shoot into 1.5MOA (or better) with
good loads, and plunk cheap FMJ reloads into about 2.5. MOA.

One benefit of the scout system I have not seen mentioned is the ease of working the bolt when there is no scope on top of the receiver to hinder the process.
I read somewhere about a "10 rds in two minutes at 100 yds on a 10 inch plate"any position but no rest, being a fair test of riflery and find I can do it with the Savage, or used to anyhow, pretty easily. Note that w/ its 4 round box mag, starting w/ 4+1, that involves two reloads, (4 and 1) which I do from the ammo cuff, straight into the box from the top with the bolt open.

Portability is the rifles strong suit. Much of my deer hunting involves climbing tree stands whi ch I backpack in for every hunt, and carry them back out. The walks in and out are not that long, a mile would be a long one, but its a two way tote w/the stand every time. The Savage is shorter and lighter than a full size sportI er and the difference is notable.

The scope. I noted early on that in poor light, typically in the evening, particularly looking down from a stand, onto the woods/forest floor, at a deer, I was having trouble seeing the crosshairs. I could see the deer fine, but was having trouble discerning an aiming point. I figured two options. A second scope, say a dot, with a lit reticule, or a reticule change. The reticule change was cheaper, by a lot. I'd always heard the German #1 was easy to see.
so back to Leupold it went. It came back in short order and I am not disappointed. It is VISIBLE. And oddly enough, the scope seems brighter, certainly less cluttered, since there is no fourth/middle/top vertical post. Its like having one less pane in a window. Accuracy has not suffered. You can perch a clay bird on top of the post, and break it easily at 100. I've not timed it, but it seems very fast too.

I gave up on a Ching/3pt sling and if I feel the need to loop, I use a std sling, fashioning a loop for the bicep after detaching it from the butt. Useful on the range, but I have never " looped up" on a deer. Likewise, I did not attach any sort of bipod to the rifle, saving weight and clutter.

The .308 cal is everything it should be on deer. I'm sure it'd be plenty for b' bear and hogs, even elk if loaded and applied properly tho
 
Since Ruger already had a Ranch Rifle, you don't suppose it could have been called a "Farm Rifle," do you? How about a "Surburban Rifle," named after the famous black SUVs the feds ride around in, driven by big guys wearing sunglasses. I know, Cooper didn't name his rifle after the IH Scout.

You may recall that Cooper specifically mentioned several rifles that he admired and which partly inspired his Scout Rifle concept. They went from the Winchester 94, the Mannlicher carbines and the No. 5 Lee-Enfield. I never had any Mannlicher but I've read they were greatly admired even though they calibers were on the light side. I have owned the others, however, and while the Model 94 carbine was a very handy thing, I'd take the No. 5 any day. It would kick, though not as much as some other rifles I was fond of, but the caliber was sufficient for an all purpose rifle. It even took a bayonet, a feature that Cooper failed to include in his Scout Rifle concept for some unexplained reason.

Aside from cost, always a consideration, his idea of a scout was more fictional than real, if you ask me, and as such, the rifle should be selling in the thousands. But alas, there is no more frontier to be tamed.
 
BlueTrain, do you reckon that walking-hunting for deer, now, is any different than in the frontier days? And, odds are, frontier folks sat and watched for Bambi, just as hunters do now.

Granted, my opinion is that way too many folks are using more gun than is needed, and worrying about shooting at much longer distances than are commonly encountered. Nothing wrong with that, of course; whatever floats the boat. A light, handy, medium-cartridge rifle works just fine in the Lower 48. Looks to me that all Cooper did was add a slight bit of military dimension to an all-around using gun.
 
At the risk of straying off topic, there are indeed differences, though no doubt there are still pockets of "contemporary ancestors" living here and there around the country. Hunting styles vary a lot, too, from place to place in the country. What passes as conventional practices along the Allegheny Front wouldn't get that antelope in Oklahoma.

I'm not so sure there is really any military element to the Scout Rifle. Honestly, I hate to criticize such a fine product, either Ruger's or at three times the price, Styer's, but it isn't suitable for a miliary scout at all. It is suitable indeed for other things, however, so any military pretensions are best ignored. That's all for you younger guys anyway. I'm well past the militia age.

Is a .308 (here we'll use non-military names) a medium size cartridge? If so, it's at the upper end. A .30-30 or 7.62x39 are medium cartridges in my mind but we're already splitting hairs. While I think the Scout Rifle was produced in .223, I don't think it was made in any of the in-between calibers. Larger calibers were also produced. Fifty or a hundred years ago, someone would have came out with a new cartridge to go along with the new rifle but I guess other considerations were more important.
 
I'm old enough that I have seen trends in hunting rifles change over the years. In the south, where thick vegetation can be the norm, the 30/30 was king when I was a kid. Ruger's little .44 auto carbine was a hit also. Then I remember the autos becoming quiet popular, with the Remington 742 Woodmaster and the Browning BAR being the more popular autos.

Then the bolt guns became the more dominate rifle. Where I hunt now, I rarely see a 30/30, and seldom see autos. I believe you may even see a transition to the Scout type rifle for some hunters. It's a bolt gun which is familiar, accurate as other bolt guns, handy as a lever gun, available in a multitude of calibers, and the forward scope makes target acquisition in thick woods a snap.

I'll be using one this year.

And if I'm attacked by zombies while out on a deer stand...I'll be ready.:)
 
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Just nosed around a bit looking for past member ctdonath. Doesn't look like he's been active on the board for a couple of years. However, he owns a Steyr Scout, and took it to the Long Range Rifle course at Storm Mountain. His review and critique are still posted here:

http://www.donath.org/Rants/StormMountain/

I was at the course with ctdonath, and had opportunity to shoot his Steyr. It's a very nice rifle. But I remain quite happy with my Model Seven set up with a 2-7x Leupold in the conventional location as a very adequate GP rifle.

Oh, and Cooper did think highly of one "lever scout" ... Jim West's "Co-Pilot."
 
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