Jane Fonda: "U.S. Troops are Killing Machines."

Hanoi Jane

Ive seen her on the news recently, something about a bus tour w/ that Sheehan woman, but thats been a while back, shes just mad cause she's in her late-hundreds and no one pays any attention to her any more. And I would like to give that guy that spit tobacco chew in her face at a book signing a medal.
 
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And i think that someone on this thread needs to go to the VA and have their dosage either doubled or cut in half... The war is over man, we lost, but not becasue of the service of men like yourself. Name-calling of a fellow firearms enthusiast will not change the outcome.
 
Despite coming late to the discussion, I would like to contribute the following. The worry of the author, ironically, is that U.S. soldiers are becoming well-trained at their tasks, but are not being trained in the historical context of their mission. Ironically again, were U.S. troops properly educated in the true-apocalyptic-nature of the GWOT then they would burn out the jihadist enemy in a fashion akin to that of Ghengis Khan.

Whatever your opinions, please find this link to many interesting articles, principally this one regarding the need for solidiers to understand that what they are fighting for must be just cause.

http://usacac.leavenworth.army.mil/CAC/milreview/English/MarApr02/kilner.htm
 
Hanoi Jane Fonda

Hanoi Jane Fonda is full of excriment as usual.
I hate to tell Jane but, any good army is suppose to be a Good Killing Machine.
Ted Turner is a SOCIALLEST and so is Hanoi Jane Fonda. Supposidly they made a good match until she became a "Born Again Christian.
 
I think her message is deeper than you think.

I believe she is talking to the Parents of these possible youngsters who want to go in the service and talking to Youngsters who might think the service is cool.
Men were drafted into the V.N. war and saw such tragedies they still can't get over it. I have a relative (shirttail) that is still messed up over it.

I have seen lots of things I don't want my grandchildren to have to go through, I would not talk anyone into going to war. Big responsibility, they need to make up their mind based upon what they feel and research.

Both sides distort. It takes a very didicated and physcially fit person to go into the service anymore, I see some who have taken the plunge and did'nt last but a few months with dibilitating injuries that will last a life time.

Not all go to battle and not all enjoy their tour, so it is up to each and every person to make up their mind. If you think it is so great to kill people, you are wrong. But war is hell and it is a job of killing. It would be nice if we didnt need to do it but freedom is something that is very expensive.

You certainly give up your freedom the minute you Join up.

Harley
 
You know I read this and couldnt believe it

I knew she (Hanoi bitch Jane) stupid.
But I am dumfounded that she is THIS stupid.
All she ever did was to show what a anti-american she was and it hurt her press. She has been trying ever since to get it back.
How many years ago did she try to make a movie that took place druing WW2 and the towns people wouldnt allow her to make the movie there.
She is by far the stupidest person from hollystupid I have ever read about and we should send her over there to help the poor people that are being killed by our troups.
Maybe some kind terroists will put her out of our misery.
God bless the US and the great men and women in millitary keeping it safe.
 
Harley, I think her message is shallower than you imply.

You are right about not all liking it. Yet the military does offer some great lessons in life. Lessons that are not taught at home anymore.

The military is not a game and youngsters do need to understand this. Killing is the job of the military and anyone joining under the pretense of getting money for college will be sorely disappointed/offended. Teaching the military to kill more effectively means that the chances of survival are greater than they were before. That is a good thing.

And just so your statement isn't so one-sided, many men volunteered for service and went to Vietnam. They too saw, and did, such things that they still can't get over. It wasn't just the draftees.

Al
Class of '68 L/4-11 USMC
 
Antipitas, Good point.

I stated Draftees.
Many came back in bad shape and wished they never went there, some liked it, I had a friend who did one tour volunteered for a second. He never made it back. He must have enjoyed it.

I know some who joined so they would not have to go into the army, others were in the line and grabbed by the Marine Corps because they needed their quota.

For a reason I don't quite get, is why everyone feels that Jane has to be the goat. The atrocities were unbelievable. She is pointing them out.

Yes I think she borderd on 'traitor', but she never got prosecuted for it, the government did not want to go there and have publicity as to the atrocities, the fragging and all the other crap that was going on. The truth hurts and the truth was lots of innocents died.

She is not the one who was spitting on servicemen or women, she is not the one who rioted in the street,trying to get the war stopped. She was a messenger. The rest of the people who felt it was wrong were the ones doing the rioting and trying to get the war stopped.

She did not screw the military person the Government did.

From what I saw in the service, when they asked me to reenlist, I told them if you can't get me killed in the first four years, I am not going to give them any more time then I have to.
Heck now they don't want to give you a metal if you are killed by friendly fire. Which by the way is what happens a lot.

I put her in the same mentality as the other people who are on a crusade. Some like her, others don't.

Susan B Anthony was hated because she wanted to have the right to vote. What does that tell you.

Harley
 
Harley, while I think we can agree to disagree on much of what you just wrote, there is one thing that bothers me. You wrote:
She did not screw the military person the Government did.
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Personally, I think she did. There's a reason that we vets call her Hanoi Jane. Add to the mix that she and Hayden showed up at the Paris Peace Talks and screwed things up there... She was indirectly responsible for the deaths of many of my buddies, by her actions of aiding and abetting (giving comfort to) the enemy.

As for atrocities... They happen in every war. That's a given. And no, it doesn't make it right, it just is... But Jane keeps harping about the American atrocities, never those committed by the VC or NVA, and they were legion in comparison. That's called "adhering to the enemy."

But it was war, therefore she is a traitor, as defined under Article III, section 3, Jane Fonda committed 2 of the 3 criteria necessary for indictment on that charge. The fact that the Government found it politically expedient not to charge her, means very little to me and so many others of era. She is what she is.

Now, here she is, trying to "stick it to us" again. This, in spite of her so-called apologies.

If you need a reason to see why Jane is the goat, I just gave it to you. If you still can't see why, I don't know what to tell you, as I have been as plain as I can be.
 
I know where you are coming from.

I happen to have a ribbon from that particular time frame.
I was in a gun shop today and discussing it with a few of the locals. They agree with you 100%. I agree with you also, but there is so much more to the picture.

Maybe to some of the vets she is the x ring and I just figure she is the 8 ring.
I usually go for the x ring, and she just is not there.
I would not see a picture of hers, I would not vote for her, and I would not want to loose any sleep over it.
But if given the chance to debate her I sure would like to understand her real reason.

Some of the worst things that happened because of her was right here in the good old USofA and I was on the front line of that particular problem also.

But the person causing my problem was right in front of me and it was that person that suffered not Jane.
To bad but that is the way it was, I am surprised she is still alive.

Harley.
 
Maybe to some of the vets she is the x ring and I just figure she is the 8 ring.
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I think I understand. If I do, then I would say that she is the peripheral target that should be taken out in lieu of the real target, which is still shrouded in haze....
 
Yes we were! That's the purpose of the military, kill, destroy, subdue, occupy. What's the use of having them if they don't?
 
From an American Legion Post in Dallas, Texas...


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In 1971 I went thru Army Basic Training and Advanced Infantry Training.

In basic we were taught basic weaponry and discipline skills and how to survive during combat operations.

In Infantry AIT we were specifically taught how to engage and kill the enemy.

At no time were we trained in any shape form or fashion to committ atrocities. Just the opposite, in basic we were trained in UCMJ and specifically NOT to follow illegal orders, and illegal orders were well defined, including the killing of civilians and other non-combatants, torture, etc....

All of this training had a specific Viet Nam emphasis of course.

There were many atrocities committed by US soldiers in Viet Nam, but not as a result of the training.
 
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