Jane Fonda: "U.S. Troops are Killing Machines."
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IndianaDean
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Jane Fonda is an idiot.
I was against this war, didn't think we should be in Iraq. I still don't. However, that is not our soldiers' problem. Our soldiers are there, and one of the reasons the insurgents do so well is WE follow all the rules the Iraqis lay out for us, such as respecting holy places, etc, while the insurgents don't.
Everytime someone makes a comment about our boys and ladies over there, I want to punch their lights out. And I'm not a violent person.
I was against this war, didn't think we should be in Iraq. I still don't. However, that is not our soldiers' problem. Our soldiers are there, and one of the reasons the insurgents do so well is WE follow all the rules the Iraqis lay out for us, such as respecting holy places, etc, while the insurgents don't.
Everytime someone makes a comment about our boys and ladies over there, I want to punch their lights out. And I'm not a violent person.
Only 90% of the soldiers fire at the enemy??
If that's the case, then we need to change the strategy of training again so that we can achieve a true 100% rating. Here's my idea in that sense...
We now change the basic training to include a program designed to teach our soldiers to "visualize" Jane Fonda as the face of the enemy. Teach the soldiers to make-believe that any enemy they are up against in combat are just Jane Fonda's incarnated to fight against them. If they all thought they were trying to shoot Jane Fonda then we may actually get to a true 100% scenario.
Hopefully, one day, Jane Fonda will fall head-first into a pit full of punji sticks..
If that's the case, then we need to change the strategy of training again so that we can achieve a true 100% rating. Here's my idea in that sense...
We now change the basic training to include a program designed to teach our soldiers to "visualize" Jane Fonda as the face of the enemy. Teach the soldiers to make-believe that any enemy they are up against in combat are just Jane Fonda's incarnated to fight against them. If they all thought they were trying to shoot Jane Fonda then we may actually get to a true 100% scenario.
Hopefully, one day, Jane Fonda will fall head-first into a pit full of punji sticks..
Hey rebar, I didn.t say I didn't like um, I think they are kinda cute, especially when they are staggering drunk or on the "prowl." Just wondered why a siblin would not want to perhaps become another statistic in their dads glorious efforts. Seems like gwb claims support from every body else, except of course, us ole vet traitors.
Right--OFF SPRING, 
glad you understood anyhow--thanks.
Rebar, your personal attack is not warranted but typical response, takes a might small man to hide behind a pen.:barf: I do not appreciate the attack and will pursue it by other means.
You have read the post to suit your own cause and not by what I said,
never mentioned the volunteer service but feel strongly that anyone who used practically any means to avoid serving the country, when needed, is no better than those who fled the country during the viet nam draft. If you were either thats your problem and your the one to have to live with it.
The fact that the girls(?) never joined such a noble cause certainly does baffle me. But, shoot man, maybe they could not work it into their rehab schedules.
glad you understood anyhow--thanks.Rebar, your personal attack is not warranted but typical response, takes a might small man to hide behind a pen.:barf: I do not appreciate the attack and will pursue it by other means.
You have read the post to suit your own cause and not by what I said,
never mentioned the volunteer service but feel strongly that anyone who used practically any means to avoid serving the country, when needed, is no better than those who fled the country during the viet nam draft. If you were either thats your problem and your the one to have to live with it. The fact that the girls(?) never joined such a noble cause certainly does baffle me. But, shoot man, maybe they could not work it into their rehab schedules.
kutter_1313
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To correct LawDog...
"Here in the Marine Infantry, killing is job #1!"
The priorities are actually:
1)kill people
2)break stuff
The stuff broken should primarilly be weapons and equipment used to kill our people, thus limiting the enemy response to us killing them. Or blowing things up that produce shrapnel usefull in the killing of the enemy.
Jane has perhaps confused killing people with real attrocities like bayoneting pregnant women in the belly. I suggest she 'investigate' the rape of Nanjing.
"Here in the Marine Infantry, killing is job #1!"
The priorities are actually:
1)kill people
2)break stuff
The stuff broken should primarilly be weapons and equipment used to kill our people, thus limiting the enemy response to us killing them. Or blowing things up that produce shrapnel usefull in the killing of the enemy.
Jane has perhaps confused killing people with real attrocities like bayoneting pregnant women in the belly. I suggest she 'investigate' the rape of Nanjing.
Korea was down-slide (Poorer soldering) than WWII
When I was in service, we had several training classes in which the instructors were showing pix/films of good vs bad practices to follow. Invariably, the examples of "BAD" were from Korea.
Our instructors were lifers. They'd been both places. They were appalled at the poor soldiering they saw in Korea. They showed Pix of foxhole sites with trash and garbage strewn all around, no attempt at concealment and the like.
They were telling us that close to 90% of the soldiers on the line either would not fire their rifles or poked them out and fired blindly. That less than 10% were actually engaging the enemy in aimed fire.
They spoke of the various commanders who were forced to declare trench-foot, frostbite and gunshot injuries to the foot or hand to be court-marshall offenses in attempts to reduce the number of self-inflicted injuries.
No, I can't quote reference documents (though I suspect there are plenty).
I am telling you this is what I experienced in training classes.
And that part of the point of the lesson was that the army was seeking ways to "solve the problem" and produce better soldiers.
Fud
When I was in service, we had several training classes in which the instructors were showing pix/films of good vs bad practices to follow. Invariably, the examples of "BAD" were from Korea.
Our instructors were lifers. They'd been both places. They were appalled at the poor soldiering they saw in Korea. They showed Pix of foxhole sites with trash and garbage strewn all around, no attempt at concealment and the like.
They were telling us that close to 90% of the soldiers on the line either would not fire their rifles or poked them out and fired blindly. That less than 10% were actually engaging the enemy in aimed fire.
They spoke of the various commanders who were forced to declare trench-foot, frostbite and gunshot injuries to the foot or hand to be court-marshall offenses in attempts to reduce the number of self-inflicted injuries.
No, I can't quote reference documents (though I suspect there are plenty).
I am telling you this is what I experienced in training classes.
And that part of the point of the lesson was that the army was seeking ways to "solve the problem" and produce better soldiers.
Fud
Really? You question other peoples service, like everyone who joined the reserves and guard, heck you even questioned my service, yet you get all pissy when yours is questioned? Hypocrite. I stand by my doubts about your supposed service, no vet I've ever encountered (which is quite a few) ever disparaged someone elses service without good cause.
First, there hasn't been a draft since, what, 1975. I was 11 years old at that time. And again you disparage my, and everyone elses, reserve service.
Slander. The Bush twins have never been in rehab.
Besides which, even if the extended familes of Bush and Cheney were in front line infantry Iraq, you'd still be vomiting forth your rabid Bush hate.
If there are those who read this thread that thinks I do not respect and applaud your guard or reserve service you are wrong, You have my utmost respect, If you had a legitimate reason for joining the "reserve" back in the days when there was a draft. However If you were one of those who "pulled strings" to get in the guard and deliberately avoid active service than you can rightfully assume that I have no respect for your service.
AS for you rebar, CHECK YOUR EMAIL
AS for you rebar, CHECK YOUR EMAIL
I know the facts would not concern Fonda, I think they are interesting.
According to: CRS Report For Congress
American Casualties Reports show:
WW1 4.7 million active, 116k dead, or 2.4% of active personel died
WW2 16.5 mil active, 400k dead or 2.4% of active personel died
Koera 5.7 mil active, 36.5k dead or .6% of active personel died
Vietnam 8.7 mil active, 58k dead or .6% of active personel died
Gulf War 1 2.2 mil active, 382 dead or .01% of active personel died
The "killing machines" are more likely to come home alive. Now Jane wouldn't want that.
Helmetcase
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Unless they were riding around in Swift Boats.
Far as I can tell, going after people's service is almost de rigeur anymore by both vets and non vets. It's all too common. It's generally a cheap shot, and I wish both sides would quit using it. Seriously, Jane Fonda can't be that much fun of a punching bag since she pretty much sucks by just about anyone's metric. I'm surprised the mods haven't deep sixed this one already.
The US military is the NICEST,RESTRICTIVE YET MOST EFFECTIVE military around. What does that mean? The US military will spend BILLION of dollars on weapon systems that surgically take out a target to avoid civilian casualities. The US military has high speed communications so that ever soldier can check with his superior officer and their JAG officer before doing anything. How did the soviet union fight wars?? How did the North Vietnamese fight??
One more post on this subject and I hope not to return to this thread.
I have been amazed at some of the obviously ignorant statements made concerning Jane Fonda and her anti war activities during the Viet Nam war. Now, however, it is obvious to me how so much ignorance can exist. It has come to my knowledge that some of those posting the most profound and indept statements exhumed from their vast knowledge of the subject were less than 10 years old at the time.
I feel sure that they did not gain this vast knowledge by hustling home from a hard day in the second or third grade to glue them selves to the TV news channels from which they absorbed the stories or they would have know that it was not just Jane Fonda, a group of her left wing movie star friends and John Kerry that was doing the protesting. They would have seen the hundreds and even thousands of the war vets, some pushing their buddies who had their limbs blown off or blinded, in wheel chairs, and even stretchers, who were their protesting a war that had already been conceeded by the politicians who refused to let the military win. The grunts were simply standing by to be picked off, one by one.
So I guess any thing that they can say on the subject is hearsay and biased one way or the other and should be take with a large grain of salt.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
I have been amazed at some of the obviously ignorant statements made concerning Jane Fonda and her anti war activities during the Viet Nam war. Now, however, it is obvious to me how so much ignorance can exist. It has come to my knowledge that some of those posting the most profound and indept statements exhumed from their vast knowledge of the subject were less than 10 years old at the time.
I feel sure that they did not gain this vast knowledge by hustling home from a hard day in the second or third grade to glue them selves to the TV news channels from which they absorbed the stories or they would have know that it was not just Jane Fonda, a group of her left wing movie star friends and John Kerry that was doing the protesting. They would have seen the hundreds and even thousands of the war vets, some pushing their buddies who had their limbs blown off or blinded, in wheel chairs, and even stretchers, who were their protesting a war that had already been conceeded by the politicians who refused to let the military win. The grunts were simply standing by to be picked off, one by one.
So I guess any thing that they can say on the subject is hearsay and biased one way or the other and should be take with a large grain of salt.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
miconoakisland
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Jane Fonda is an actress! She gets paid to distort truth! Why is everyone so focused on what she sees as truth? How has is become that those that "act" for a career now have any influence on the day-to-day living of "ordinary" people? Pretending something is fantasy! The Hollywood "elite" are now dictating social, military policy??? That actors are now all aligned with some kind of social agenda is absurd! If they really wanted to change things, they'd contribute as much (percentage-wise) as a single mother making less than $40k in taxes! As it is, they pledge 1 million to a charity, write it off and it ends up being 4% of their income, whereas a "regular person" pays close to 30% in taxes of their income!! Good publicity, bad publicity, it doesn't matter! It's all good for them! It's easy for a multimillionaire to advocate generosity! The only "celebrity" that could ever get my "sympathy" is the one that would say "any money I net over $100k will be given to......"! If Jane Fonda is so concerned about war orphans, let her sell her home, live like a "typical" American and try to survive day to day "acting" like a waitress!
CobrayCommando
Moderator
Absolutely, "On Killing" by Dave Grossman. Great book! Jane Fonda simply twisted it to her agenda. As someone said earlier, soldiers kill. The better and faster they are at it, the better chance they have of surviving.
Exactly, Fonda simply twisted this to her purposes. Our soldiers are very good at killing the enemy, how is that bad Jane?
Despite what she would like to think, atrocities (or whatever you want to call it when total war becomes so horrible) we committed in WW 2 (the "good" war even to liberals like her) far exceed the ones we committed in Vietnam and both Iraq wars combined.
Thats basically what I figured. In the Malayan Emergency there were 1800 man hours to each enemy dead. Unrelated but a fun fact nevertheless.