James Yeager Youtube Rant

BGutzman, I defend his 1st Amendment right to speak as though he were an idiot, but that does not mean I can't condemn what he says or the manner in which he says it.
 
I agree, and in a long round about paragraph I said the same as you did, that he has a right to say it and you have a right to your own stance on it.... I'm just tired of everyone calling everyone a nut for having a outspoken opinion..

I think we all as a society could be more constructive in listening than discrediting. I think people fear they stand alone in these times of upheaval and uncertainty. I have next door neighbors, I will disagree with strongly until the day I'm worm food, and yet I am neighborly too them and warm with them even if I make it known I disagree with them.

I think many gun owners feel they stand alone against this tide, but we don't, we just have to reach out a little more and replace fear with unity and lack of understanding with compassion, knowledge and friendship. We also have to have the strength of conviction to stand and say what we believe even if others strongly disagree. People have to be able to voice their anger without retribution.

I did not mean to be critical of you. I should have maybe been more clear in generalizing.
 
Nutjobs are on both sides. The DesMoines Register apparently pulled an online rant by one of their anti-gun "journalists". Here is part of what he said in the article:

Then I would tie Mitch McConnell and John Boehner, our esteemed Republican leaders, to the back of a Chevy pickup truck and drag them around a parking lot until they saw the light on gun control.

And if that didn’t work, I’d adopt radical measures. None of that is going to happen, of course. But I’ll bet gun sales will rise.
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For every nut case they can point to, you can point to one on their side.
 
I'd say we're just voicing our opposition to psycho-dog rants.
Consider other speakers. People who can help us wield the ballot box, not the ratings sweeps. I don't see Mr. Nugent as mainstream, but Governor Ventura qualifies, IMHO. Is discernment dead?
 
Pushing Back

The message I came away with, even though a bit over the top, is that it's time to stop cowering behind our gun safes, stop opologizing for being gun owners. At least, mentally prepare ourselve for a little push-back.. .. ;)

Be Safe !!!
 
In the good 'ol USA not only do we have the to keep and bear arms, we also have the most important right of all and that is free speech. The problem is some speech by some citizens is totally ignorant if not totally insane. While James Yeager might not be insane he does appear to be unstable and seems to become unhinged easily.
The problem with someone like him as a spokesman for our cause is he will be used as a typical example of the gun enthusiast by the anti-gun forces and why gun control is needed. What we need right now is rational discussion and a firm but rational stand on our side, not threats and total meltdowns.
 
Making a living as an actor on a conspiracy show is hardly a blow to Gov. Ventura's credibility. Once upon a time we had a president who made movies with chimpanzees. The point is a person good with language can make a very effective speaker for our cause, much like the afore mentioned president.
 
That president was in favor of the Brady Bill and the AWB.

Rather listen to the chimp.

We need experts who are credible. Ventura might appeal to the choir but that's it.
 
Alan Gura is a proven speaker.

Tom Selleck has shown that he maintains calm and class, and speaks eloquently, during hostile interviews about gun ownership.

A younger, well-spoken woman, such as Tamara, would not have to be a celebrity to do our side some good.

Emily Miller, the reporter from DC, could do us a lot of good.

We should ask Emily to try to appear on some of these shows.
 
Once again we see the cognative dissonence that allows people to think that no matter what your private opinion, once you put it on UTube (or anything like that) it doesn't become a matter of public record. It does. Millions can see it. Including lawyers, prosecutors, and the indviduals threatened in a rant.

No matter what you discuss amongst friends, who know you and know you are not serious, when you put those same words out in public, even though it may be your right to do so, you risk the consequences.

Words have life. They have weight and meaning, in both the literal and legal sense. Saying in public, on the record, that you want to kill someone is a really poor idea. Even saying you feel like killing someone is foolish, particularly in these times. Saying things like that about policitians and or other public figures might just be a criminal offense.

Everybody goes on a rant, now and then. Fine. I get that. Do it myself sometimes. Some people are little more than a bundle of rants. I get that too. I just don't get why people can think they can say or do stupid (sometimes even illegal) things on Utube and get away with it?
 
Making a living as an actor on a conspiracy show is hardly a blow to Gov. Ventura's credibility.
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Have you seen "Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura"? He is the host, not an actor. He has co-authored two books on conspiracy theories as well. It would appear that he really believes a lot of the stuff he investigates.

And, he is Jesse "The Body" Ventura and NOT Jesse "The Brain" Ventura, LOL.

He speaks positively about the 2nd Amendment, but Glenn's categorization of him is probably on the kind side. He is better than Yeager, but that isn't saying much given Yeager's history and continued controversy. However, Yeager has managed to make headlines around the world as an idiot threatening to kill people.
 
There are two paths to convincing people.

One is a rational path and the other is an emotional path.

One problem with some of the gun rights advocates is that they think the emotional exemplified by Yeager or Ventura will overcome the emotional path reaction that occurs in many after Sandy Hook.

A rational path analysis of why we should have guns may work on some capable of analysis. The emotional won't.

Some are already convinced of gun rights so listening to a Yeager or Ventura appeals to them emotionally.

That is not going to work with many.
 
A younger, well-spoken woman, such as Tamara, would not have to be a celebrity to do our side some good.
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Weapons Grade Snark may do as much harm as good...... but certainly less harm than Mr. Yeager.
 
I don't agree with what Yeager said. BUT I don't think he crossed any lines into illegality. Therefore, what right did TN have to pull his permit?

Does the state of TN view access to the permit as a right or a privilege?

What other unpopular opinions could get me stripped of my carry permit in that or any other state?

This is why we need a statement on a right to carry from the US Supremes. It won't be just California, New York, Illinois and the like that will be affected.
 
The decision to suspend Yeager’s handgun carry permit was based on a “material likelihood of risk of harm to the public” (TCA 39-17-1352).
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There was another Tennessee resident (who used to post here) who had his permit rescinded for the same reason.

"If it goes one inch further, I’m going to start killing people” is fairly unambiguous. We can debate the merits of the law that allows seizure of his permit, but that is an incredibly boneheaded thing to post in a public forum.
 
This is not Yeager's first kerfuffle on YouTube. Not that long ago he was offering to fight duels with those who dared to question his bravery.

I wonder if that was a factor in TN's decision to revoke his CCW permit.

I can't say I have ever seen his videos, but from what I've seen about him I consider him exhibit A of the super macho gun enthusiasts who end up doing more harm to the RKBA cause than good.

It would do all of us well to keep in mind that however strong we may feel, if we're really worked up it might be good to hold back from posting anything online until our brain can overcome our emotions. This is not an issue that is going to be best fought with emotions. The pro gun control crowd is doing enough of that... we need to bring logic and calm argument to the table. Promises to shoot people flat don't belong and will definitely play into the hands of the folks seeking new bans.
 
As far as I'm concerned, folks who go public with the "I'm gonna kill!" nonsense need to be locked away in the State Home for the Bewildered and have their food well-spiked with Valium. Program their TV for Kukla, Fran and Ollie, Captain Kangaroo and Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood.

I see it as nut-case city for Sumdood to make a stupid movie of himself uttering death threats. This is not the action of a rational person.

Looks like just one step short of suicide by cop.

Believe what you want--but fake sanity as best you can.
 
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