It happened to me.
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Agreed, 100%.
And THAT is the reasoning behind my earlier post.
Good guys often think of this very fact--the reason that we ARE the good guys is our reluctance to do anything that will cause pain, suffering or deprivation to our fellow man, no matter how reprehensible that fellow man might be.
This reflexive act is the normal state of affairs for the normal human being. Unfortunately, it is also the state of affairs--and of mind--that will more than likely get the good guys hurt or killed.
It is no fault at all of the poster that he hesitated at the moment of truth, when a deadly force situation unfolded right in front of him. Blame instead the civilized manner in which we are raised, and where the majority of us adhere to the tenets of our upbringings, which advocate compassion and kindness.
To be effective and prepared for self defense--or the defense of others--that inbred compassion must be modified; the hesitance MUST be eliminated, and the will to cause harm or to kill must be ingrained. This is the primary reason that the armed services are so hard on the troops in basic training/boot camp--because killing is the most repugnant thing to us--at least the civilized ones.
You must learn to recognize when the moment of truth arrives; learn the difference between shoot and no-shoot and be able to apply sound judgement.
And when the moment of truth arrives, you must be sure in your movements and your decision. You must be willing to carry through and complete the action if need be, without hesitation or second guessing--or, like GySgt Hartman (Full Metal Jacket) said, you will be a DEAD good guy--and then you will be in a world of (you know what) because GOOD GUYS SHOULD NOT DIE WITHOUT PERMISSION!!!
In conclusion, the original poster should NOT be faulted for his actions in any way. He stood forth to meet the challenge, and assisted in the best way that he was capable of doing at the time.
Ronny, as the saying goes, you'll do to ride the river with. If you're ever out this way (Washington State) hook up with me, and I'll hoist a cold one with you. (Mine will have to be root beer, because I don't drink alcohol.
) Muy hombre, vaquero. Muy hombre.It's a good thing nobody said that in this thread!!
That "piece of work" hardly qualifies for my compassion when there is another of my "fellows" getting her face bashed in...
The choice is clear to me... even if it seems "warm" and a little "fuzzy" to you.
This a platitude and it is cliche. It also doesn't fit into anything that has been said in this thread. Perhaps you could elaborate... a little?
kennybs plbg
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It is no longer a civilized manner today but a politically correct one. Where is it civilized to not react and help the helpless in need, but rather give the first consideration of compassion and kindness to the agressor.
When I read such garbage it makes sick.
At one time this was covered in our upbringing. People knew right from wrong, it was taught by their parents, family members, schools etc. They didn't need to read it in a book midway through life before being able to make a sound judgement. My children will leave my home with this ability when the time comes, actually the time is here and I have doubt of their outcome.
kenny b
Half-Price Assassin
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cut him some slack
ok anyone that criticizes our hero is just being unreasonable. he did what he thought was right, without running the possiblity of sharing a jail cell with the people like the attacker. remember everyone, we live in a society that loves to punish people for brandishing a gun, or even using it, in ANY situation. there have been many cases where cops have discarged their firearms to save lives, only to be tied up in court facing civil charges, and having their savings wiped out paying legal costs, or facing criminal charges. remember con-air, when the hero went to jail, cause he killed a scum bag in selfdefense, well that stuff does happen, good hoenst people do go to jail doing the right thing. i think if i was in the same situation, i would have done the same thing, and the only reason i wouldnt have done more is because i would be afraid of some wacko judge throwing the book at me cause i didnt "use enough restraint". this country is full of peace-loving hippies that think all you have to do to solve your problems is "talk it out", which is true bull$h**. i will be honest i would have loved to shoot the bastard, a rapist, who would have killed some poor defensless woman, the world would be better off with out him. but you can never forget our wonderful justice system, that might burn you for doint the right thing.
here is a question, what if you shoot him in the knee once he got up and said "shoot me Motherfu**er"? or shoot him in the lower leg area, to prevent him from running off, or maybe killing the poor woman? i would have considered a leg shoot, now after thinking it over.
anyway good thread and thanks for sharing
ok anyone that criticizes our hero is just being unreasonable. he did what he thought was right, without running the possiblity of sharing a jail cell with the people like the attacker. remember everyone, we live in a society that loves to punish people for brandishing a gun, or even using it, in ANY situation. there have been many cases where cops have discarged their firearms to save lives, only to be tied up in court facing civil charges, and having their savings wiped out paying legal costs, or facing criminal charges. remember con-air, when the hero went to jail, cause he killed a scum bag in selfdefense, well that stuff does happen, good hoenst people do go to jail doing the right thing. i think if i was in the same situation, i would have done the same thing, and the only reason i wouldnt have done more is because i would be afraid of some wacko judge throwing the book at me cause i didnt "use enough restraint". this country is full of peace-loving hippies that think all you have to do to solve your problems is "talk it out", which is true bull$h**. i will be honest i would have loved to shoot the bastard, a rapist, who would have killed some poor defensless woman, the world would be better off with out him. but you can never forget our wonderful justice system, that might burn you for doint the right thing.
here is a question, what if you shoot him in the knee once he got up and said "shoot me Motherfu**er"? or shoot him in the lower leg area, to prevent him from running off, or maybe killing the poor woman? i would have considered a leg shoot, now after thinking it over.
anyway good thread and thanks for sharing
kennybs plbg
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Ronny my comments are in response to todays civilization, I hope you don't think I'm singling you out. I'm sure you did what you thought was best at the time and it may have been, but even you are having second thoughts of your actions. Some here wouldn't have even did what you have, and yet others would still be waiting for the response from Dear Abby to see what they should do.
kenny b
Half-fast-Assassin... er uh, Half-price 
We do not have to go to EXTREMES to help the victim who's getting her face caved in...
We don't have to go to jail or get sued...
As I said, we only have to do SOMETHING or anything to get the BG to stop beating on her...
IF in the event the BG turns his attentions to us...
We can:
1. Run around a parked car...
2. Hide inside and close the apartment door...
3. Kick him in the 'nads...
4. Or shoot the s.o.b. in the 'nads...
5. Or kill him...
ALL of the above options are SELF-DEFENSE!! or third-
party-defense, and even in Liberal City you won't go to jail for self-defense.
In the MEANTIME we have STOPPED the beating of the victim, (Perhaps saving her life.) at least, long enough for backup to arrive...
BTW, I think you should change your "handle"...
Half-Fast is cooler than Half-Price and a whole lot better than Half-Baked.
Jus' kiddin'
We do not have to go to EXTREMES to help the victim who's getting her face caved in...
We don't have to go to jail or get sued...
As I said, we only have to do SOMETHING or anything to get the BG to stop beating on her...
IF in the event the BG turns his attentions to us...
We can:
1. Run around a parked car...
2. Hide inside and close the apartment door...
3. Kick him in the 'nads...
4. Or shoot the s.o.b. in the 'nads...
5. Or kill him...
ALL of the above options are SELF-DEFENSE!! or third-
party-defense, and even in Liberal City you won't go to jail for self-defense.
In the MEANTIME we have STOPPED the beating of the victim, (Perhaps saving her life.) at least, long enough for backup to arrive...
BTW, I think you should change your "handle"...
Half-Fast is cooler than Half-Price and a whole lot better than Half-Baked.
Jus' kiddin'
big daddy 9mm
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I hate to hear that stuff like that happens
its sad that we have such evil in our world. we need to shoot that guys nuts off. 
its sad that we have such evil in our world. we need to shoot that guys nuts off.
I think Ronny did okay. Not perfect, but he had enough sense to pull his gun--I've read of folks who carry who don't when needed--and to push his so-called friend--who was escalating an already bad situation--to the periphery. I *hope* I would have pulled my gun rather than my cellphone if in his situation. Not necessarily pulled and fired, but pulled and ready. And Ronny did stop the guy from pounding the woman. Not immediately, true, but the guy stopped when he turned toward Ronny and then fled when he saw the gun. I'd grade Ronny's performance as a B. Not an F or an A, but better than the average I've read and heard about.
The ongoing issue, as I see it, is that most of us are taken by surprise by these situations. Classic Condition White. How many of us walk around in Condition Yellow as we should? Sadly, habit leaves most of us (including me) in Condition White most of the time.
Ronny, thanks for posting. For me, the lesson learned is to practice more situational awareness and mental "what if" scenarios. When I used to ride motorcycles, I constantly practiced three mental scenarios:
1) Escape routes. All I needed was an opening the size of a common doorway to squirt through in case someone in a car or truck cut me off or if there was road debris ahead. That mental drill alone saved me several times.
2) Car wheels moving. Forward, backward, left, right, it doesn't matter--if a car is waiting to pull into traffic and those front wheels are moving, the driver is thinking more about where he wants to go than about you. I dodged a few drivers who suddenly pulled out in front of me, because I was prepared.
3) Vehicles with stuff strapped to the outside. Things fall off. On a motorcycle, if you hit something, you'll probably lose. Never ride behind a vehicle with stuff strapped to the outside.
I suggest it's a good idea to figure out a couple of self-defense scenarios--"What if such-and-such happens? What would I do?"--when you go places. It's difficult to do at first, but it becomes second-nature when you practice it enough. You might still be caught by surprise, but not AS surprised.
The ongoing issue, as I see it, is that most of us are taken by surprise by these situations. Classic Condition White. How many of us walk around in Condition Yellow as we should? Sadly, habit leaves most of us (including me) in Condition White most of the time.
Ronny, thanks for posting. For me, the lesson learned is to practice more situational awareness and mental "what if" scenarios. When I used to ride motorcycles, I constantly practiced three mental scenarios:
1) Escape routes. All I needed was an opening the size of a common doorway to squirt through in case someone in a car or truck cut me off or if there was road debris ahead. That mental drill alone saved me several times.
2) Car wheels moving. Forward, backward, left, right, it doesn't matter--if a car is waiting to pull into traffic and those front wheels are moving, the driver is thinking more about where he wants to go than about you. I dodged a few drivers who suddenly pulled out in front of me, because I was prepared.
3) Vehicles with stuff strapped to the outside. Things fall off. On a motorcycle, if you hit something, you'll probably lose. Never ride behind a vehicle with stuff strapped to the outside.
I suggest it's a good idea to figure out a couple of self-defense scenarios--"What if such-and-such happens? What would I do?"--when you go places. It's difficult to do at first, but it becomes second-nature when you practice it enough. You might still be caught by surprise, but not AS surprised.
kenny, I once read of a Michigan Dept. of Fish & Game project that took o few dozen Mule deer from the Southwest and transplanted them to Michigan. A few years later there were over 1,000 Mule deer roaming the Michigan forrest. The Fish & Game folks were very happy ... their project was viewed as very successful. However, it was the mid 50's, as I recall, the worst blizzard in a long, long time in that region. Come Spring, there remained roughly two dozen Mule deer ... the rest had not survived the harsh winter. Without the natural preditors to weed out the herd, all survived, even the weak ones that would not have made it back in their native habitat.
What does this have to do with this thread ... well it seems to me, if most folks must rely upon others for their survival, the species loses that which is essential for survival ... the weak perish. This is what I view the responses of some that postulate a strong, violent response.
2nd, I wonder at the judgements used by some folks to decicide who is to live, and who is to die ... are written standards to be prepared ... who writes those standards, applies them, adjudicates them ? Perhaps there will be no standards of personal interaction, perhaps a simple "Law of the Jungle" approach to be the standard ? However then, how will it be determined who the weak are, who are to protected ?
Sometimes I think those that advocate swift, violent, retribution are the more frightened. I applaud Ronny, a marvelous scenario .... and yes I think he trained well for this experience ... did he not say he was returning from church.