isn't not having a manual safety(like for a glock) dangerous?

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Itr has been pointed out that the Army's FM manual from 1940(?) mentions carrying the 1911 cocked and locked (pg11-12). Someone in the military thought it was just fine before Cooper.
 
Yup! its there but the more common practice was to do so only in combat. In garrison it was five round in the mag etc.

Besides, don't stir things up. You might get a label put on your post.
 
Allot of comparing apples to oranges, and trying to drive home some kind of point. Let's just say I'm defective, and sometimes I put my finger on the trigger, which is why I need a real gun with a manual saftey. Recently I have purchased several decock only. That does it for me. Cocked and Locked for HD though...

Comparing a Glock to a wheelgun like my SW 625jm is ridiculous... :rolleyes:
 
Let's just say I'm defective, and sometimes I put my finger on the trigger, which is why I need a real gun with a manual saftey
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I know what you mean...

I got fortunate in having my dad and grandpa grill it in my head since I was 3, so its more natural for me to draw with the finger on the frame...

I catch my dad trigger fingering the Glock once and a while.. I then ask him what he's going to do if he gets a 21 for carry...
 
Let's just say I'm defective, and sometimes I put my finger on the trigger, which is why I need a real gun with a manual saftey
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Hmmm... I'd be worried that a person who can't remember to keep his finger off the trigger would also have trouble remembering to engage (or disengage) a manual safety.
 
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As long as you know what you are doing. I dont think its a big issue. The grip safety on my XD is great, and I think it does the job.
 
How many of you guys read that article linked by Shorthair. There was some serious bull crap in there. I really like how at least 2 officers "didn't mean to soot the suspects" and how one was "cuffing the suspect when the gun went off and shot the suspect". :rolleyes: Yeah... whatever.

What about the stupid people who had an AD when using Mexican Carry? I have done this on numerous occasions and it is actually my preferred method of carry. I half untuck my shirt and then tuck my G26 in my waistband at 3 o Clock position. I then tuck my shirt back in except for where I am carrying. I simply flip the bottom of the shirt in and it looks tucked. The gun just disappears despite the fact some people call Glocks "blocks". Just don't snag the trigger and you won't have any problems. I wonder how many of these guys had the 3.5 lb. triggers.

Talking about 3.5 lb. triggers, that is an option. I don't think any factory Glocks come this way. I'm sure a lot of those Mexican Carry ADs were from internet ninjas trying to be cool by having the light triggers. Real cool indeed with a bullet in their legs... Morons!.

Another issue with that article is how it mentioned people who had ADs were professionals. They forgot to mention either idiotic or complacent professions... just like that cop that shot himself in the leg while giving a lecture in a classroom.

As for shootings that occured when cleaning, a Glock has never discharged by itself (that I know of). Someone HAD TO PULL THE TRIGGER!!! They must have violated SEVERAL safety rules to manage that, even with the required dry fire for disassembling Glocks. A few that come to mind are:

1. Treat every gun as if it is loaded.
2. Make sure to remove the magazine and ensure the gun is UNLOADED.
3. Be sure of your target and what lies beyond it.
4. Do not point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.

I can bet that NO Glock has ever accidentally discharged if there was NO ROUND IN THE CHAMBER!!!

Now with all this said...

Is it easier for someone who is UNTRAINED to have an AD with a Glock compared to a DA gun or a SA with safeties? Any realistic person would have to say YES. Again I stress UNTRAINED. This also applies to the idiots that are trained but don't follow proper safe gun handling techniques!

Think about it... you have a pretty light trigger pull with no manual safeties to disengage before it goes kaboom. A long heavy double action will still go kaboom if the trigger is pulled, but it requires much more effort. Someone picking up a Glock incorrectly can fire it very easily, especially if they have lighter trigger springs in it.

What is my point after all this ranting? Glocks are more prone to ADs based on their design. These ADs are most probably caused by untrained gun handlers or out right carelessness. I still carry a Glock but I always do so safely!
 
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I've carried a Glock, mostly concealed, for the last 10 plus years. It's been drawn many times, and there's never been an AD issue of any kind. Every gun requires a trained operaotor to insure effective handling. It's never the gun that creates the danger, it's the untrained idiot holding it.
 
Of course it's dangerous, it's a gun. Oh by the way, it has much personal responsibility. It's not the guns fault if it goes off, it's mine (yours). I will accept the responsibility and not blame the gun.

Think about that. It's huge.
 
This is a 4 year old thread revived by a post that has now been moved from this thread and spun off into a thread of its own.

I have no problem with someone starting another thread along these lines but I'm going to let this one rest in peace.
 
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