Is this Glock "flaw" true?

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I think the Glock "problem" is a lot of crap. If Glocks are so bad, why are all the major, and minor gunmakers falling all over them selves to copy it. They want their share of the market they lost. I've owned high quality guns from all the major makers over the years, and never really liked Glocks. I was one of the ney sayers without ever trying them.

Well I'm here to tell you that they are great pistols. Accurate, reliable, and durable. They go bang everytime you pull the trigger. Most of the K-booms have been with reloads. And the AD's have been due to untrained people, and poor gun handling. Not a problem with the gun. I presently own Colt's, Berettas, and Glocks. I really like the Glocks!

Don't be swayed by all the misinformation. Go to a range a rent one. See for your self. You may not like it, but that is why this is America, you have that option! :cool:

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twoblink--

don't act so innocent--it's like giving a kid a match and when he burns down the house, you say, "I just gave him the match." Point is--you are a flamer. sounds like to me that you didn't like the Glock's 5.5# trigger to begin with--so, why post? don't get a Glock--I don't recommend it highly--last thing I want is another newsbite saying some idiot accidentally shoots himself with a Glock. You don't like the Glock and you definitely don't deserve it.
 
twoblink,

It's the Church of Glock. Say anything or ask a question that they dislike and they're all over you.

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rstvea,
He's not a flamer and he asked a ligitimate question. It deserves an honest (mature) answer. Not some childish my guns better then your gun answer.
I have come to respect the opinion of many on this forum and it really disturbs me when someone has to attack another persons question because they didn't like the possible implecation that the gun they spent money on may not be all that.

Twoblink,
You wann know the truth about why Glock is so popular. Here it is. Glock is a good gun I must agree however, it's nowhere near as good as the hype.
Mr. Gaston marketed very smart. He sold his gun to military and law enforcement for dirt cheap. You sell a good reliable gun for a good price and the government agencies will buy it. He knew that once cops were carrying them everyone else would want one. The problem is you don't pay what the cops do for a Glock. What you end up with is a lot of people buying a gun that they think is cool and afterwards defending their purchase with their life. I own a Glock 30 and enjoy it very much. It does have some problems that will be rectified (minor stuff).

Don't become a Glock owner, become a gun owner. Glock is just another gun that has it's niche in the market.


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Live long and defend yourself!
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[This message has been edited by leedesert (edited May 31, 2000).]
 
This is not a "Glock" flaw, ANY mechanism could possibly freeze up if enough water was present and temperatures were cold enough.

I just can't believe it really happened though. If you're letting enough water or slush into a trigger guard, in those temperatures, you're being irresponsible with it, no matter what the gun

PROBABLY AN URBAN LEGEND. People love to hate some brands, and regurgitate rumors as their own testimonial, just to sway somebody elses opinion.

I STILL hear, "ya my buddy has got one of those all CERAMIC Glocks that can go through metal detectors, it contains NO metal."

It's great that forums like this exist so we can ask, dispel the rumors and learn from others experience
 
For the record, Fairbanks PD in Alaska(I think)issues Glock 21s. I imagine it gets cold enough up there, but there has been no complaints of the trigger freezing up.

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rstevea,

I find it sad that you'd make statements like that. I WANT a Glock, that's why I'm trying to find out any legit reasons for me not to own one. I'm of the personal belief that a gun is a tool, and it's the grey stuff between the ears that's the best safety control. I just am sad that you feel that way, I can start seeing why people pick on the Church of Glock.

I'm a programmer, and so I thought that when someone points out the bugs in your code, you say thank you and promptly fix it. It doesn't seem that way with Glocks. I want a .40 (actually I want a .357Sig, but wanted to start with a .40 and get a barrel swap later) but I have issues with Glock barrels being fully supported in the .40. Glock people keep saying it's overrated. My thinking is, if it's not an issue, then why doesn't Glock make it fully supported? My understanding is that Jarvis and BarSto barrels are fully supported and they are just as reliable. So I think it should be addressed. If there is a possibility that the trigger safety can be frozen, I'd like to know about it before I buy one.

I did learn one thing from this thread though, A lot of Glock owners jump all over you even when you have a real, legit question.

Albert
 
I've had it happen to a Browning Hi-Power and a Remington 870. The frost build-up was pretty miniscule on the pistol, but it was enough to take the 'snap' out of the safety when I clicked it off. A quick disassembly and wipe-down with a silicone cloth took care of it.

The shotgun had no discernable frost on the receiver, but working the action produced a noticeable drag. Again, breaking it down and wiping the parts fixed the problem.

Since I bet my life on my weapons, the care I take of them borders on fanatical. Irresponsibility doesn't factor in to my experience with the phenomenon.

LawDog
 
Geez! I thought I was borderline fanatical about glocks. The guy asks a question and your on him like Oprah on a twinky. I like 1911s, I like Sigs, used em both. I carry a glock. Try em all buy what you like. They will serve you well if you treat em right.

"Whatever it was it's dead now."
 
The NSW Police Service paid $335AUD for their Glocks recently. (They sell for $800AUD to the general public.....heck..good marketing Gaston !] ;)
 
Don't let those that practice Glockism bring you down on the gun. It is a good gun, can't argue there. I think if those that like Glock would voice their concerns to Glock they would fix the problems or at least address them. What happens is they replace parts with one of the many aftermarket lines that exceed Glock's standards by a mile.

Having so many aftermarket parts and upgrades available is why I bought my Glock. It kinda makes you wonder as to why there's such a big market for replacement parts on Glock's. 1911's have a large aftermarket product line but everyone knows and accepts the inherent problems with a stock colt.
Glock lovers on the other hand brag on how their guns will shoot forever and under any circumstances. Meanwhile they go over to Glockmeister and buy triggers, barrels, firing pins, recoil springs, guide rods, you name it.
It reminds me of my daughter who will wear shoes that kill her feet because they look good or are fashionable. And please, don't ever say anything about her shoes.

Get a Glock, you won't regret it. Be a real gun owner, not a Glock worshiper.

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[This message has been edited by leedesert (edited May 31, 2000).]
 
twoblink-

like I said--I think it was a stupid question. if you would have used what's between your ears, you would have answered your own question. it's like saying, "HK P7 flaw: in sub-zero weather the squeeze cocker will freeze, so you can't fire the weapon." how idiotic is that?

using your head, a valid question would've have been, "can guns freeze to the point of not functioning if exposed to sub-zero temp.? for example, will the HK squeeze cocker freeze and not cock? will the Glock trigger safety freeze and not move the trigger? will the Beretta safety freeze and not disengage?

These are valid questions. yours is not.

I like glocks, but I like my ruger p97 and makarovs equally well. it's not a matter of glocks for me--it's the fact that nowadays, many people don't think for themselves. twoblink, you need other people to tell you what's true and what's not when you could've figured it out yourself.

it's a sad commentary on today's society.
 
LIKE I WAS SAYING, "it's nice that forums like this exist so people can ask questions, dispel rumors, and learn from other's experience..." and oh yeah... I forgot to add, "WITHOUT CRITICISM!?"

Even though a question might not sound as complex or smart as others, I'm sure its good that they are asked here rather than not asked at all.

BTW, does anyone know where I can order one of those all-plastic or all-ceramic Glocks so I can go through a metal detector?
 
Holy cow, guys! I am glad we all got to say our piece. Can we go back to being civil now?
I fired a Glock once at the range. I liked it.
As for the light trigger, I did not. I was untrained in it's use, and since I don't own one, the point is moot.
As for the freezing thing, I have never heard of it, but there are a lot of things I have never heard of. Freezing being a term for being stuck, or frozen as in moisture got in and got in the way...... To me still a legit question, and a fella deserves a civil answer here more than anywhere else. We have acres of knowledge here, lets show that instead of kicking a guys a** for asking.
BTW I leave my pistol next to the bed unchambered with the magazine out so I can wake up a little before I am functional.
I compromise a little so I don't shoot one of my family. Just my thoughts.

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[This message has been edited by tatters (edited May 31, 2000).]
 
I own a buncha guns :) and the glock is one of my favorites. If you like the gun (I have a G22 in .40 BTW) Go and get one, they aer worth every penny. The AD in the night is a real concern, and in fact, that is why my SIG is on my nightstand. I have never heard of a frozen trigger, but I suppose it could happen. (Not here in KY though, too bloody hot)
Also, if you are looking at just one gun, not lots of them like me :) Look into HK or a Sig, they both make guns I would consider on par or <gasp> even better in some cases with a glock. A 1911 is a great gun too, but requires too much tinkering for defense outta the box, IMHO.
Good luck, and I'm sorry is any fellow Firingline Members offended you.
Stay safe
 
rstevea,

"These are valid questions. yours is not."

All he did was bring up what someone else said to get it verified. If you don't come to these forums to ask questions and learn then what the hell are you doing here. Oh, let me guess, so you can baffle people with your Bull%&%!.

If you can't answer a question without being an ass then please...shut up.
There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with someone but you don't have to be rude about it. I am not a moderator here but I do value and enjoy TFL. The willingness of (almost) everyone to respectfully share advice and dispell rumors makes this forum great.
I find it hard to allow someone with immaturity issues to ruin a good thing.

Oh, and by the way, the trigger safety can freeze. I just got it a little wet shook it off and put it (unloaded)in the freezer for 30 minutes. When I pulled the trigger the the safety wouldn't disengage. After forceing it once more it broke the ice and all was well.
Can it happen with condensation..yes.
Would it happen..Most likely not.

Any other part of any other gun would do the same thing if given the right conditions.

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[This message has been edited by leedesert (edited June 01, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by leedesert (edited June 01, 2000).]
 
leedesert

why don't you read my posts again. if you don't understand what i wrote, then ask me what you don't understand, especially about the part where i said that all guns would freeze in sub-zero temp, by definition.

oh, and how are those magic beans the town idiot sold you? if you don't get it, i think i've made my point. if you do get it, then you should be insulted because either way, the fact remains. and don't ask what fact.
 
I'm SOOOO glad someone had a glock, dripped some water on it, and put it in the freezer, of course all you folks out there, warn your wife before you put the ol' Glock in the freezer. That answered my question.

Ok, I'm not going to carry the flame any further. I heard something, had doubts about it, but thought, hey, it could happen, this guy obviously has been around guns more than me, so I'll throw it up on TFL, see what the other people say.

There are dumb questions, yes. This might have been one of them... yes. If you don't get dumb questions answered here, where DO you get dumb questions answered? The greasy gun salesman is going to answer my questions? I don't think so.

I figure there are pro-glock people, some nay-glock sayers. Somewhere in the middle, I will find the answer.

It makes me a bit sad actually. Glocks, great guns. But there are a few issues. I wish they would address them. I think there is a glock with all major issues addressed; I think they call it a Steyr!! (ouch!) I'd rather buy a glock if they would just address some issues like a fully supported .40 chamber ...

Thank you all for your answers, keep those trigger safeties thawed...

Albert.
 
rstevea, just who the hell do you think you are?? What makes you think you are such an expert?? These questions are perfectly good and reasonable questions.

Me thinks your head is stuffed so far up inside your ego that you cant see past your colon.

You should be ashamed of yourself!

You're a disgrace to the entire shooting community.

There's always a village idiot, rstevea, you're it.

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