Is there really a way out quickly?

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YOu always hear Iraq is such a disaster. By now
most people will agree to that. But the problem is that, we have
destabilize the whole situation, there is a civil war going on, and Iran and
Syria are in the borders. The whole area is full of oil, and we have
to understand that most folks there don't want democracy as we
see it. IMHO, we are going to be there in one form or another for many
years and people are just not honest about it!!!

Looking into the history books, America came to the Philippines around
1900 to fight Spain, even though 90% of the people are Catholics and
not fighting with one another it took 45 years of US rule to make it
even a struggling democracy, and a poor example at that! How much
more with Iraq????

Pls give me your opinions!
 
Bosinia-still there
Kuwait- in and out but back
Vietman 1958-1975
Korea- still there
Germany_still there
Japan-Still there
Cuba-Still there
Southern States Of America_still there (d*mn Yankees never leave).
 
Tony, +1, especially on the last one. Nothing scarier than a Yankee with a U-Haul trailer.
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Roger That! Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw back home in Tx, years ago:

"Welcome to Texas, now GO HOME!"

About us leaving places overseas -- at least we eventually got around to leaving the Philippines, and look at how long we were there. Fwance didn't want us around (and still don't), so we made a relatively hasty post-war exit from there.

Italy? Last I heard we were still there.
Okinawa? (Ok, so that's part of Japan, but...)
Somalia? In, never achieved anything resembling victory, quickly out, disaster.

Best I can figure, we have an established precedent of staying as long as it takes, wherever that might be. In those cases where we actually did leave prematurely, before the actual cessation of hostilities and the establishment of something resembling a viable civil government able to defend itself, disaster shortly followed.
 
I have no doubt that a permanent presence in Iraq will remain at least as long as we've kept one in Germany and Japan. Not than any of those three or any of the other permanent bases are justified but that's what will happen.

Some would have us simply leav. Very bad, mainly for Iraq. Since we've already caused so much damage it really is our responsibility to clean up the mess. Others would have us just carpet bomb the place and get rid of those stinky brown people that don't love jesus. Those people are insane.

No, there are no easy solutions but the current one of "staying the course" is obviously not working.

Oh and as far as the south goes, yeah those damn yankees and their ideas of emancipation! How dare they free our slaves? :mad:
 
I just want them to go back north and quit tring to make the southern state as screwed up as the northern states.
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Make you a deal...we'll stay up north if you promise to stop tipping the scale in presidential elections in favor of slack-jawed yokels.

Fair? ;)

As far as Iraq goes, I'd say there's a very easy way out. Drive our crap down to Kuwait, load it on ships, and load our boys on planes. Done. We could be gone in a matter of days. In fact, I hear plans may already be drawn up.
 
ahahaha that's brilliant. Operation Screw This :D


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No quick way out, I was against the war and Bush from the start, I think that the Dems should do a complete investigation and bring the people that got us in this mess up on war crimes, Richard Clark and others have said enough to warrent it. they just worry to much about their own political asses and could care less about the troops and Iraqie civilians being killed and maimed.

We should have finished the job in Afghgan and got Bin Laden no matter whose border we had to cross, after the last Taliban leader was strung up and everyone disarmed, the drug lords killed, poppy fields all burned, let Russia and anyone else in the area they know had better not even deliver a firecracker to the country or the last thing they would hear is a very loud noise over their largest city.

Now that we are in Iraq, about the only thing left to do is pull back, bring in another two hundred thousand troops or what ever it takes, make no deals with anyone, let everyone in Iraq know that they have just hours to bring any weapons that they have and stack them in the road, as our troops will be comming thru again as they should have done in the first place and disarm everyone. also make it known that our troops will not be used as target pratice any more, also let Iran,Syria and everyone else know that if they are caught sending any weapons to Iraq the ground under their leaders will be turned into a glass parking lot and they will be a part of it. wipe the AlQueida and all thugs completely out. Lets let them know what a real war is , tell the media to get the first bus out, this will be no side show to get ratings.
Get the people from the Sunnies and Shiites and Kurds and give them a couple hrs to decide where they want their borders and let them have their own countrys and stop trying to force them to love each other, it may have worked here but it won't there not in our time.
America used to be a super power and world leader, now the whole world hates us and is laughing at us, so ------em, letem hate us, but let them repsect us.

Does anyone ever think about what could have been done with all the money that has been waisted in the middle east. our money, although Cheney said Iraq oil would pay for the war ,another lie.

rifle-Tony, +1, especially on the last one. Nothing scarier than a Yankee with a U-Haul trailer.

from where i sit, WW3 has been started and it's time to stop it before it gets any further, it's time to let China, Korea, and anyone else that we're the ancesters of the same people that stormed Omaha beach, fought on iwo jima,Tarawa, Saipan, the Philippines, Okinawa, and if wasn't for us, they would all be speaking German now.

nothing scarier than a pissed off yankee with a musket and minnie ball either, remember your history.
 
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old 12 gauge, good thinking! i mostly don't support our left wing, but in this case it sounds almost smooth as butter! I would vote demo if they were more gun-friendly, im not talkin gun friendly like dick cheney with his buddies either ;) Also our national debt, whats that in the trillions of millions now? idk some crazy number. Every time somebody talks about "oil" i have a tough time believing anybodys side, but who cares were all getting bent over at the pumps and nobody's doing anything about it.
 
The war in Vietnam and the War on Terror have taught me an important lesson; those fighting the war rarely have a say yeah or nay but do the fighting largely silent. Those that do speak about the war are divided into three groups or camps; (1) those that support the war, (2) those that don't, and (3) a third group that don't know what the hell they want but make a lot of noise saying it. This latter group (3) are the ones this country has to work much harder evicting, exporting, and silencing.
 
This latter group (3) are the ones this country has to work much harder evicting, exporting, and silencing.
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Wow.

Just, wow.

Once again I am reinforced in the belief that the majority of pro-gun folks are every bit as uncomfortable with freedom as the anti-gun crowd...their discomfort just extends to different articles of the Bill of Rights.

When I was young, I always wondered how people could have willingly put on the brown shirts and kicked in their neighbors' doors to drag them off to the camps. Now I'm no longer puzzled.
 
Entanglement with tribal savages who hate each other is a no-win, no matter the continent! Think there's an easy answer? Take a late-night drive in the wrong neighborhood in any major U.S. city.
 
Now that we are in Iraq, about the only thing left to do is pull back, bring in another two hundred thousand troops or what ever it takes, make no deals with anyone, let everyone in Iraq know that they have just hours to bring any weapons that they have and stack them in the road, as our troops will be comming thru again as they should have done in the first place and disarm everyone.
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:eek: So much for the 2nd Amendment being a God given right, huh? :barf:
 
So much for the 2nd Amendment being a God given right, huh?
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Yeah, I have pretty much the same reaction when I hear that one. I actually heard a lot of fellow soldiers while I was over there idly wondering why the heck we let them have weapons...at which point I tried to rationally explain that denying the Iraqis a basic right that we ourselves enjoy is no way to win hearts and minds. Most of them didn't really understand, though.

Besides which, with the sheer number of weapons floating around that country (the AK-47 is the national fruit, if you know what I mean), all you'd manage to do is confiscate the weapons of those who wouldn't use them against you. Oddly, much the same argument that we use against gun control here (that it doesn't keep them out of the hands of criminals).
 
So much for the 2nd Amendment being a God given right, huh?
they had no 2nd Amendent right. once we invaded their country they were the enemy.what rights does an enemy have? maybe if they had been disarmed and secured on the big rush to get in Baghdad, the problems wouldn't be so great today. when you leave an armed enemy behind, you're just asking for trouble unless things have changed since i was in the Army.
I'll bet that many who were left behind with their weapons just joined up with alqueada and we're fighting them today.
 
Gary Conner ---Yeah there is. Seeing him unloading it next door lol,
lol, it won't be me, we get snow and it gets cold for a couple months, but we don't have to worry about poison snakes, scorpions, hurricanes, tornadoes,earth quakes, heat waves, Ft. Hood was enough for me.
 
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