Is the Phoenix HP22 the best CHEAP semi auto range toy?
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Walt Sherrill
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There are hi-caps available for the Hi-Point 9mm. Folks who have the carbine versions like the larger mags.
deerslayer303
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The 45 Hi Point may be ugly and looks like my Dewalt cordless drill. But it's a ***** cat to shoot and shoots great
Oh man, the OD Hi-Point. You're going to out-ugly mine.
I just stumbled across a like-new Hi-Point in .45 that met my price requirements (standard black, though), so I finally will be able to satisfy my morbid curiosity about these things. Looking forward to some funny looks at the range. I think I'll make the '59 Python in Royal Blue one of its companions on the first trip. That'll up the confusion level a bit.
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Cheapshooter
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Not quite! Haven't you seen the $800 Chiappa Rhino?
If Hi-Point made a revolver it would probably look like a Rhino. Except it would only cost around three hundred bucks, and actually work!
Cheapshooter
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Hi-point JHP 45cap.......................$175
100 rounds of WWB 45acp.............$50
1 hour range time.........................$20
Out shooting the guy with the
thousand dollar Kimber
in the next lane.............................Priceless!
Microgunner
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Cheapshooter said:
Geeezz...what an imagination.
Microgunner
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I've got a Rhino. Absolutely reliable and easy to shoot. Remarkable design, but no, not pretty.
Cheapshooter
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I remember getting that from a reliable source. Just can't remember where. It was before I bought my 22 Poly, and I agree it was not mentioned in the manual. I wonder f it maybe came from an earlier model. Anyway, mine has run with about anything, but I try to keep away from the really hot stuff. After all, I don't use it for CCW, so there is no need to try to maximize it.
I'll try to find the info I had somewhere.
Hunter0924
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For the most inexpensive 9mm pistol, I would have to say Hi-Point.
Cheapshooter
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Found something.
From a 2011 Guns&Ammo review.
Probably my misunderstanding of the writers use of "standard 40gr load" After rereading it I think he meant the 1280 fps load he mentioned recommended by Taurus.
As a side, I just had to go to the gun room, and put something in the safe. While there I dug out the case for my little Poly, and got the manual out. No mention of ammo type, only the obligatory lawyer speek about factory, non reloaded, clean ,dry ammo that is in nearly every owners manual.
My mistake.
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deerslayer303
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A 22 that you can run thousands of rounds through reliably and accurately for a hundred dollars?? What can be better than that? I'll report back how this new HP22 does. It's a nicer gun than it gets credit . I used to think that way until I bought my first cheap gun, a C9. Which is still with me today, goes fishing and hunting with me often, has I don't know how many rounds down the pipe, hits where I point it. If it falls off my hip in the woods and I lose it. Or if I drop it to the bottom of the lake, ot gets stolen out of the glove box, I'm not out much, and will just go get another one.
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deerslayer303
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When I think back to my train of thought before my cheap Gun addiction took off, I seemed to put more stock in the negative reviews than the positive. Even though the positive far out weighed the negative. I even went out and picked up the much hated Jimenez just to see how it is and experience it for myself. What I have found is, on these cheap guns the final tuning and polishing work is just not in the manufacturing process. Take the Jimenez JA380 I got last saturday. The machining marks, sharp and rough edges are terrible. After about an hour on the bench yesterday I took care of all the problem areas that I saw. There was a prominent ridge at the top of the feed ramp. It's things like that that go un noticed by the manufacturer. I personally don't think the cheap guns are necessarily bad designs just fast, and cheap manufacturing processes. To solidify my point. Take the CZ82, a blow back operated pistol that operates much like the cheap guns, it's just built with better materials and closer attention to detail resulting in a FINE handgun.
Walt Sherrill
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Ibmikey said:
If you previously were "not known to be a snob or [to] bad mouth... another's possessions," with just two relatively brief sentences you have arguably changed the way the gun world looks at you.
I don't have a Hi-point myself, but may get one some day. Where else can you find a NEW, life-time warranteed -- and, believe it or not, reliable and accurate -- .45 for less than $200? Heck, where can you find a used .45 with those same characteristics for under $200?I'll agree they aren't pretty, but they typically aren't bought for their looks.
As for the HP22 -- consider it a toy. People spend more that THAT for some of the AirSoft guns!!
Microgunner
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Life's too short to spend it shooting crappy guns.
I'd much rather own one quality piece than ten crapmasters.
I'd much rather own one quality piece than ten crapmasters.
Walt Sherrill
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Not a good example.
A Toyota or Nissan also operates much like a Yugo, and are built with better materials and more attention to detail -- but I don't think I'd take a Yugo if you gave it to me.
I would argue that better materials and attention to detail are actually more important than you realize. I think, too, that "attention to detail" may include other factors that differentiates the low-price guns you like from better weapons: things like design objectives, intended uses, and the desire to make and sell the product at a specfic price point that offers the maker a profit. The profit motive is very important -- and it wasn't a consideration when they developed and built the CZ-82.
The CZ-82 is a very sophisticated design and 30+ years after its introduction, it's arguably still one of the best 9x18 or .380 (with a different barrel, or in the functionally similar CZ-83) service pistols available[/B]. The original build costs of the CZ-82 was many times greater than the less expensive guns you favor. I suspect that development costs alone were many, many times greater for the CZ-82 than for all of the low-cost guns you own, combined! The CZ-82 was designed to meet police and military needs and Warsaw Pact requirements, and to function under difficult conditions over a long service life. It's a bit like that a Timex watch: it just keeps on ticking.
Some of the inexpensive guns you like are OK. I'm sure most of them are fun to shoot, and since you're not advocating their use in ways or in situations that puts lives or limbs at risk, you've found an interesting hobby you can continue to enjoy. I agree -- some of these guns are NOT as bad as the "gun snobs" say... That said, however, don't risk over-simplifying the discussion by ignoring the importance of why some guns are "built with better materials and closer attention to detail."
deerslayer303
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Yeah maybe not the best comparison. I was mainly focusing on the fixed barrel blow back design. I just believe that better material and craftsmanship i.e. attention to detail would make some of these guns better. But that probably is not in these manufacturers scope. But rather quantity sold over quality.