is something wrong with DPMS?

hibc, i am NOT talking about building a gun. i am talking about walking up to the dpms table at the fairgrounds in minnesota where the have a table full of goodies for sale to the public. purchasing some minor things going home and thier stuff doesnt fit nothing. no more no less, never said anything about assembling a gun from scratch,,,,respectfully, bobn
 
At work; "Highway Patrol"; our patrol uses DPMS. Now mind you, many law enforcement agencies don't buy EXACTLY the same spec weapon that "Joe Blow Civilian Retailer" is going to buy. But one thing our armorer said was: While the DPMS weren't a bad rifle, and it was reliable, if a part was replaced with either a new or spare part in stock, it had to be checked thoroughly. Basically; you don't just drop a bolt, carrier group, trigger assembly, etc... and assume that all is well. But generally speaking, if the weapon works, then it works fine.

I'd have no problem buying a DPMS. I just wouldn't pay over $650 for one. Not when I can get a S&W M&P15 for that price. And I can get a Colt 6520 for $899. Or a Colt 6920 for $999. Or I can build a BCM for about that same price. If you can get the DPMS for $650-$750, then definitely look into it. If you pay more than that, you are ripping yourself off. You're paying too much. For the price, you could get much better quality.

Then again; there are people who will spend $1000 on a Bushmaster. Bushmaster has the greatest scam of all time going for it. 20-30 years ago, the Bushmaster name meant quality. They've allowed the quality to go in the toilet, but people remember the name. Sort of like buying a GM Car today. Dad and Grandpa always had a Chevy. Well guess what Zeke??? Today's GM is not the same company as what dad and grandpa had. But people continue to spend $1000+ on a bushmaster and swear up and down that they got a great deal. Bushmaster is about the PICKIEST when it comes to ammo. You never know what ammo it will shoot and what it won't. DPMS; if you buy one and it works well, it should keep working well. If you are building, or swapping parts, be very careful. Again; a great rifle for $650-$750. Spend more than that, and you're ripping yourself off.
 
I used a DPMS build kit to flesh out an AR15 lower.
Works fine. I did replace the included hammer spring for a more powerful after market hammer spring to end frequent FtFs when working with Russian ammo.
I"d buy another one.
 
christcorp i have ask how the bushmaster of today are inferior to the ones of yesterday. Ive got a new 762x39 and a 12 year old .223 bushy and if anything the fit and finish on the new one is hands down better then the old one. I also have to ask what makes you say the the new chevs arent what the old ones were. Back in the day if you bought a new chev you felt fortunate if the motor made a 100k and even more fortunate if the body lasted as long as the motor. Combine that with about 15mpg and the only saftey features were lap belts and steel bumpers. With the newer ones its a rareity if your motor doesnt make a 100k and most will easily go 200k. Bodys rust alot less due to better paint systems. Just about any of the chevs including the 1/2 trucks will get 20mpg or better and the new trucks ride as well as the old cars did. I dont see one single catagory that makes a 50s-80s chev better then the ones you can buy today. I know some wise but will say price but if you factor in cost of living the price is very simular and your getting a hell of alot better vehicle for that money.
 
LLoyd; you are comparing technology advances "across the board" with the quality of one product to it's competitors. GM vs it's competitors today, is not the same as GM vs it's competitors years ago. At one time, a GM and Ford was the standard by which the world bought automobiles. Today, GM is no longer at the top of quality vs it's competition. Yes, technology advances has made a 2010 gm a better car than a 1970; but not in relationship to it's competitors.

As for Bushmasters, the same applies. Technology, better materials, etc... have made weapons manufacturing better today. But Bushmaster is in no way one of the AR15 leaders that it use to be. It is the most picky when it comes to ammo. It has common loading issues. Extractor issues. Most people need to add a heavier buffer to slow down the cycling. Point is; the bushmaster is no where near the level of quality, vs it's competitors, that it use to be. But they live off of their name and charge way too much money for one.

I find it amazing how some people will say that they bought a Bush, Rock River, DPMS, and some others because they are on a budget and can't afford one of the "BETTER ONES". It's obvious that these people were impatient and/or ignorant, and simply don't want to admit that they didn't do any shopping around. Head to head, at the same source, a Colt will cost more than a bush or DPMS, but money doesn't have to be spent head to head. Money is finite for most people and their budgets. Saying you had to get a bush or RR because that's what you could afford, only applies because you bought it local.

On the retail market, bushmaster is way overpriced. If you're paying more than $750-$800 for a bushmaster, Rock, or DPMS, you are being ripped off. But most AR buyers are ignorant and impatient. They don't shop around and buy the first they can find. But a Bushmaster is NOT the same quality that it once was.

I'm not saying that buying a Bushmaster is a total mistake. I personally wouldn't buy one, but all of it's issues can be resolved for very little money. My thing is that Bushmasters aren't worth $1000, when you can get a colt, Daniel, BCM, etc... for the same price or LESS. Al Gore invented the internet. There's no reason to spend $1000 on a bushmaster at your local gun shop when you can buy one for $750; or if you are really willing to spend $1000, you can buy a much higher quality AR for the same price you were going to spend.
 
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