Is Bush turning in to Jimmy Carter?

I think that like Bush 41 the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, look at who his father put in, David Sutter!!!! I think also like his father he was afraid to have to deal with the left and picked a moderate to avoid a nasty prolonged fight. This is not what I like to see, he should stick to his convictions and not cave in to the left, all it does is empower them and show them their scare tactics, media lies and bullying work.
 
There are two kinds of conservatives evolving:

1. Those who stand by their principles and expect Bush to do that also.

2. Those who have an authoritarian personality need to always support the leader despite any mistakes or shortfalls.

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Dems were the same way - some were shocked at Clinton's behavior and others excused it.

All hail the leader, independent of morals and policies. Kind said way to live your life.
 
Before you jump to conclusions, check this lady out. She is very pro the 2nd Amendment as an individual right. This resolves a lot of questions in my mind...
 
Maybe I'm way off base, but I can't think of any policy Bush has followed that has been conservative. I guess you could point to the tax cuts, but Bush actually has been expanding government spending while cutting taxes, not a conservative policy. From my viewpoint, Bush has been a president set on appeasing the differing groups in the country. I'm not Bush-bashing, just stating my POV. Bush seems to have the right goals, but not the resources to attain them properly.
 
Have Bush's expansions of spending been in the Social Welfare areas???
Like abortion and social medicine.

I'm sorry, but I just don't know for sure.

I had thought it was military, and intelligence, and conservative issues he was "spending" on. Somebody enlighten me?

+1 Rebar in #22

I stand humbly corrected. :)

+1 NH Yankee

That's why I see the whole spectrum of American politics shifting to the left. There is no serious conservative influence remaining in the Congress.

The people have been duped into thinking they are in the "middle" and don't realize the "middle" has moved far to the left. That's what wishy-washy has gotten us.

As far as the mindset of the nation is concerned...
The left has won! :eek:
 
Great posts Pointer!

Bush has done many things wrong such as complete lack of border control and wasting untold billions on creating a new wing of Government known as Homeland Security (instead of fixing the existing problems within the CIA, FBI, local law enforcement, etc.). Just what we need, bigger government. :rolleyes: However, I think he is screwing up the country at lot less than Kerry or Gore would have.

I tell people all the time that we have a lot of Republicans in office, but no conservatives.
 
The extremes of both SIDES OF THE AISLE would be exemplified by Communists and Socialists on the left, and by Facists, Nazis, KKK and Aryan Nations on the right.
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Bah! Stick to the issues at hand. OUR political extremists and not those of other disciplines.

The left has dominated the Federal government for close to 50 years. They have mostly held a very strong majority in both houses of Congress. When they didn't have a Democrat President they still held a majority in Congress.

When the Republicans did manage to squeek out a weak majority, they still needed votes from the more reasonable Democrats across the aisle, exemplified by sensible men like Zell Miller.
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Yep, 50 yrs as the major political player & them Dems are real scuz. Why they have forced outlandish rules and regulations upon us in total disregard for societal progress and conservatism. Big mistakes like the Equal Rights Act of 1964 that have TOTALLY destroyed our previous way of life for mere equality.

And, when the Republicans DID have some measure of power, the result was (as it is now) rampant inflation and out of control government spending and deficits.

The extreme left has taken over the Democrat party... and like Witch Fonda have shown that they have...
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Can we all say Ad Hominem? Why is it that most political discussions that involve "conservatives" become mud slinging matches that start by these same people casting disparaging remarks about their opposition?

A conservative, Democrat or Republican, will see the middle as "fence-riding". A ride which will take you nowhere....

The prime quality of the conservative, is that he holds firmly to the principles that have always been an integral part of the nation's character.
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Unfortunately what you state is largely correct. A true "conservative" is so interested in hanging onto his past that he ignores the fact that the world is different today than yesterday. A true conservative would have stasis rather than progress. "If it was good enough for my grandfather...." is the rallying cry of the true conservative.

But, that's not REALLY what a true conservative wants. Do they REALLY want to reinstitute slavery? Separate but equal? Anti-sufferage status for women? These things were all part of our past. Things which have historical significance in shaping our country. These things are an integral part of our nation's character. Things which AT THE TIME were "good enough" for our grandparents.

A return to those days & times would be a horror. Yet true conservatives would have us believe that ANY change should be reversed "for the good of the country". What they don't tell you is that THEY intend to be "on top" after that change occurs so that they don't have to abide by the strict doctrines they would create.

Most conservatives have their head in the sand. Most liberals have fire in their eyes as a result of the name calling by the conservatives.

Call me a progressive. I would rather have a better tomorrow than an endless sucession of yesterdays.
 
POINTER
Have Bush's expansions of spending been in the Social Welfare areas???
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Bush has used large amounts of money to grow the government, he has built layer upon layer of beauracracy, such as the Department of Homeland Security. He has provided billions of dollars in aid to foreign countries, during the tsunami relief, and now has staked billions of dollars to the relief on the Gulf Coast. I am not against this relief per se, but it is most assuredly going into the pockets of 'social programs' and beauracrats.

Personally, I have no issues with the government spending money on military expenditures. That is what I want them to do, protect our country. What I do not want to continue is being the country that doles out the welfare to the rest of the world. According to Global Issues, the US spent 10 billion dollars on foreign aid in 2001 and over 18 billion dollars in 2004. BTW, that's more than double the next closest nation.
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp#ForeignAidNumbersinChartsandGraphs

That money undoubtably goes to fund 'social welfare' programs in other countries. I think there is no hint of conservatism is the Bush administration - just -as had been said already- the impulse to find the middle of the road and walk safely down it. Picking Miers as a nominee for the SCOTUS is just another example of this philosophy.
 
Bush, like his daddy, is anything but right-winger.

He still beats Kerry- imagine who his appointees would have been :eek:
 
LOL FDR is in the middle - Well I guess we know where you're political views are! It's ok, I suppose communists/socialists have the right to own guns too! :p
 
625

Thank you... :)


joecski

Thank you, as well.


invssgt

+1 ILOL :D



RobP.

You've taken my remarks out of context. For example: I was answering a question about where I thought the middle was. And I did, in fact, stick to "OUR" extremists. Perhaps you just missed it in the blindness of your anger???

Then, you take these "out of contexts" and you parse words over them.

Then, you interpret what I said, as if you know that which you clearly didn't understand.

Also, I didn't say "DEMS" were the problem. I said LIBERALS are the problem.

Your history is flawed...

Reagan inherited DOUBLE DIGIT inflation and before the next election he had the rate down to single digit, and it kept coming down for several years into the next administration.

There were still a number of conservative "DEMS" in office when the civil rights act was created... and it was not only "DEMS" that made that happen. It was reasonable people from both sides of the aisle.

Regardless what you think was the TRUE cause of the Civil War, it was still the Republican North that freed the slaves.

Contrary to your opinion... It wasn't I who spread dirt on the hypocrites...
I only reminded us of the dirt they have spread on themselves.

The conservatives, from either side of the aisle, do NOT want to live in the past... they want progress founded on decency, and morality, and good manners. These are the things that were good enough for our forbears, and they are certainly good enough for you and I.

Don't bother responding to this post if you haven't HONESTLY read all of my posts pertaining to this thread. You will also find where I related these posts to guns, and gun control, and the 2nd Amendment, and the other Consitutional rights which were good enough for our forbears and are timeless in their value to all mankind. :p
 
One of Bush's strengths is an attribute that former German Chancellor
Helmut Kohl had-his enemies always misunderestimated him.
 
Pointer

I think what you consider to be middle and your opinion of conservative is probably what I consider to be way off the map to the right wing. Even though I disagree with everything you say, you still get some props for writing a good solid post that was pretty eloquent.

I consider myself to be right in the middle. When I said left or right, I didnt refer to seat position in the house but rather typical right wing left wing jargon.

Its all point of view..my middle ground isnt shared with Bush, to me hes to far to the right and is way to religous and conservative. You probably think im some sort of flower power hippie wearing sandals and dancing in street...lol..im not...just have a different point of view then you is all.
 
Its all point of view..my middle ground isnt shared with Bush, to me hes to far to the right and is way to religous and conservative.
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What has Bush done that is way too religious or conservative???
I know the media sometimes portray Bush as a "Born Again Christian Conservative", but what has he done to deserve this title. He goes to services on Sundays, and asks people to pray in times of crisis, but does that make him too religious???
 
459, I want to hear your views

on Prez Bush being far right. Although I voted for him twice, I cannot see much evidence to support your assertion. He sure as Hell isn't far right enough for me.

If you think it is the Right's primary agenda to fiddle with Roe-v-Wade, I can assure you that many of us spend zero time on that one--and couldn't care less. If you think that us "far-Rightists" want to turn the US into a Church State, you couldn't be farther wrong. On the other hand, what I see as the Left's (and particularly the ACLU's) policy of "support free speech as long as it echoes my ideas" is particularly revolting.

I you think that I want to move backward into the Dark Ages...get real. However, if we were to move "backwards" towards, oh, let's say, Emminent Domain being reviewed, FEMA being removed from Homeland Security, "Zero Tolerance" going the way of the dodo bird (hmmm) and a number of other personal responsibility issues becoming a way of life as they once were, as opposed to Great Society issues, well...I would consider that progress.

If you consider these ideas radical, far-Right Attilla-the-Hun type, then I guess we have some fundamental philosophical differences...and very little "middle ground".

Sorry. For you, and for what this country could be.

Oh, and Pointer, well said.
 
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orionengnr

Thank you, and backatcha. :D


459

The concept definitions of right wing and left wing and middle came from the seating positions of OUR Congress on each side of the aisle!! :rolleyes:

If you think you know where the "middle" is...
I wouldn't want you to "split the candy bar" for us.

Oh yes, I don't want to "see-saw" with you either. :p
 
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