Is a 12 gauge called the same in Europe as in the U.S.
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novus collectus
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Ultima Thule,
How does your native country treat short barreled shotguns? If silencers are unrestricted, then how about the other stuff that they have a shtfit about here?
Ultima Thule,
How does your native country treat short barreled shotguns? If silencers are unrestricted, then how about the other stuff that they have a shtfit about here?
UltimaThule
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novus collectus, no short barrels.
There is no system for paying a sin-tax and getting them registered either. Although if you can convince the licencing authority here (the police) that you really need one, I think it is theoretically possible for them to make exceptions to just about any part of the regulations (not just shotguns), wouldn't cost anything either. I just wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them to accept an application, note that I said "theoretically possible".
About "them" having ***fits. Depends on what you mean by fits. Accidentally trimming off your shotgun half an inch too much would probably lead to a fine (and possible loss of your other firearms). There is no minimum penalty. Maximum is two years, or four years in "serious" cases (such as smuggling machine guns for profit).
There is no system for paying a sin-tax and getting them registered either. Although if you can convince the licencing authority here (the police) that you really need one, I think it is theoretically possible for them to make exceptions to just about any part of the regulations (not just shotguns), wouldn't cost anything either. I just wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them to accept an application, note that I said "theoretically possible".
About "them" having ***fits. Depends on what you mean by fits. Accidentally trimming off your shotgun half an inch too much would probably lead to a fine (and possible loss of your other firearms). There is no minimum penalty. Maximum is two years, or four years in "serious" cases (such as smuggling machine guns for profit).
Re Paradox guns. They had one barrel with the rifling, one without. Both barrels were the same gauge. You are correct that only a short section near the muzzle was rifled.
As to the one long gun, this was at H M expense. So unless you were independently wealthy you took one gun. Kind of like the Army shipping one car per officer to Germany today.
Now I am going to have to dig out old copies of Double Gun Journal just to footnote my comments.
And the 410 was a British invention dangit
As to the one long gun, this was at H M expense. So unless you were independently wealthy you took one gun. Kind of like the Army shipping one car per officer to Germany today.
Now I am going to have to dig out old copies of Double Gun Journal just to footnote my comments.
And the 410 was a British invention dangit
Mike Irwin
Staff
I could swear that the Paradox that I saw years ago had both tubes rifled...
It probably did. You could have it any way you wanted it in those days. They were hand made guns.
My point was that the 410 probably came about when a rifle caliber was adapted to shoot shotshells. Maybe because some poor British officer was posted to some obscure part of the empire and wanted to hunt game and birds.
My point was that the 410 probably came about when a rifle caliber was adapted to shoot shotshells. Maybe because some poor British officer was posted to some obscure part of the empire and wanted to hunt game and birds.
Mike Irwin
Staff
When you get right down to it, the line between shotgun, rifle, musket, rifled musket, etc., was, for a long time, very blurry. It still can be today, too.
Para Bellum
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Yes. We call ist "Caliber 12". There is 12/67,5; 12/70; and 12/76...