Is 10mm slowly making a comeback?

Is 10mm slowly making a comeback?

  • Yes

    Votes: 69 50.0%

  • No

    Votes: 31 22.5%

  • It's popularity is about the same as it's always been

    Votes: 38 27.5%
  • Total voters
    138
10 mm. has always been a bit more power than the majority of people want in an auto loader. It appears that the comeback is just about all the gun magazines doing what they always do. All talk about the same thing at the same time.
High power loads don't lend themselves to fast shooting very well do to recoil. So putting a higher power round in an auto just causes the issue with wear & tear on moving parts and adds little else compared to a revolver.
The .45 ACP in +P comes close enough to answer most peoples need for more power and still provides a docile gun with standard factory ammo.
We just went through the great.32 caliber revival and it, like the 10 mm. will die again.
 
Slightly off-forum

I like the concept of 10mm. When I bought my first 1911, I looked at the Delta Elite (back in the '90s). Ultimately I went with .45 due to ammo cost and availability.

The off-forum part: I really think the manufacturers are missing an opportunity by not offering more pistol caliber carbines in 10mm/.40. Personally, I'd love to find a lever action offered in this chambering.
 
I agree the 10mm Auto is gaining popularity. As noted, there are more pistols offered now in 10mm. There is also a good selection of rounds manufactured for it. Also, were one to check the reloading suppliers, he would find 10mm Auto ranks high in popularity too.

I disagree the cartridge is a fad. It has been on the scene since 1986. The cartridge survived the Dornaus & Dixon Bren Ten debacle. It survived the poor QC issues of the early Delta Elite pistols. It survived the FBI's meddling with the round wherein it was dumbed down and put it into a pistol that was better suited to anchor a yacht.

And yet, here it is, ready for anyone who is willing to step up and see what the upper limits are of a practical autoloader. The round has also spawned two viable alternatives to the 9mm Luger, namely, the .40 S&W and .357 Sig, that get the modern pistol shooter beyond the "to +P of not +P" question.

You should go buy a 10mm Auto pistol today. I know you want to buy another gun.
 
The 10mm made my shooting career. I was a sponsored IPSC shooter and the only one at the time shooting the 10mm. My 180 grain at 1000 fps made the "major" power factor. This was pre 40 s&w days. It was a flatter shooting round that had a different recoil pulse than the 230 hard ball everyone else was using at the time. My long range accuracy and rate of fire was better than most of the 45acp. When my scores rose and my times went down, it raised alot of eyebrows. Since then the 40S&W took over so I obviously was on to something way back then. The 10mm is a great hunting round and doesnt need to be pushed to its limits for deer. These days I carry the 40 simply because the ammo got better and started to mirror some of my most successful 10mm loads and overall size of the gun is smaller with more rounds. I still hunt with the 10mm and recommend it as the ultimate woods gun and thats were the 10mm seems to be the gaining its most popularity. the 10mm at 500ftlbs + hits with authority but so does the 40 with the right ammo mirroring the same power. This is were the 40 can also be pressed into a competent woods gun with the hotter ammo. Both 10mm and 40 were plagued with underpowered ammo years back and didnt do either caliber justice. A 165-180 grain bullet with 500ftlbs in either caliber will get the job done.
 
I had a G20, but didn't reload at the time so I sold it, now I reload...So I need a G40. For me it's making a comeback.

After I pickup another CZ and M&P, I'll shoot for a 40.
 
A 165-180 grain bullet with 500ftlbs in either caliber will get the job done.
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Aren't you comparing hotter .40 to low to medium 10MM?

Double Tap lists their 180 grain controlled expansion JHP @ 685 f# ME
Don't think there's any .40 getting up that high.
 
I think so.
I bought my first (DW CBOB) a couple years ago, I am seeing "real" 10mm ammo more frequently lately, and I am considering a second (G20SF).
I am a handloader, so 10mm is viable to me.
 
I disagree the cartridge is a fad. It has been on the scene since 1983. The cartridge survived the Dornaus & Dixon Bren Ten debacle. It survived the poor QC issues of the early Delta Elite pistols. It survived the FBI's meddling with the round wherein it was dumbed down and put it into a pistol that was better suited to anchor a yacht.
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Fixed the date for you. But you're right about everything else.

Look, whatever slur the 10mm's detractors might want hang on this cartridge, the term "fad" simply doesn't fit the facts.

It's been declared "dead" like what?, 17-times since 1983?, ... and it's still holding ground among the more popular, so-called "service" rounds, and arguably it's even gaining ground.

Like some sort of caliber-vampire, the 10mm AUTO keeps coming back and just won't stay "dead." :eek:
 
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Like I said in another thread, the +P+ 9mm loads have closed the gap with .40 S&W substantially. 10mm held on long enough to finally be recognized as the most powerful commonly available semi-auto round. Maybe not everyone wants one but it should hold the same desirability as the .44 magnum does for revolver fans. Of course if the .45 super ever gets a boost from gun makers the 10 might suffer yet another lull!
 
I handload for everything I shoot, including my custom 6" G20L I've had for over 11 years now and love the 10mm caliber. As a woods gun for sojourns into the Rockies, like the fact that I've got 17+1 rds of 180grn, 1,479fps, 875ft/lbs ME hardcast 10mm or, with the change of a mag, 17+1 rds of 165grn, 1,589fps, 925ft/lbs ME HP 10mm on my hip in a package that's more compact, has significantly less felt recoil, and actually weighs less than a 6" S&W 686 with only ⅓ the load (6 rds) of 180grn 357mag ammo.

Even though recently I now also handload 45 Super for my custom 6" G21L with it's larger diameter, 200grn bullet that's a fun gun at the range as it's got a serious stout recoil, the fact is at 1,307fps and only 758ft/lbs ME plus the fact that I'm only carrying 14+1 rds, it doesn't measure up to my 10mm rig which has it beat cold.
 
I think the fine new guns such as the Sig and Dan Wesson 10s, not to mention the Gen 2 Delta Elite, are proof that there is renewed interest. I know the Sig has really caught my eye!! ;)
 
I was a huge 10mm guy back in the day. 10mm fans need to thank Glock for keeping the gun in production from the beginning.

That said I had a bunch, a Bren Ten (the original not the Vltor con) SW 1006, 1066, 1076, the Glocks, Mega Star, Wyoming Arms and a few others.

Sorry to say my vote would be as is or no. I voted as is.

1911 models are popping up and Glock is adding the Model 40 a long slide 10mm, but in general is any other major maker making a 10mm?

HK, Walther, Beretta, SW, et al...

Colt is nearly bankrupt.

I give SIG props, lets see if they can sustain it. Hoping! Price is high though for the base market.

And I know 1911 fans who won't touch a 10mm 1911 so that market is limited.

The 10mm is a niche round with a loyal following, it is a round for those who roll their own ammo.

Lets talk about ammo makers and the 10mm...actually let's don't.

I'm a fan, was and still am, but I'm sorry I don't see this rise in 10mm the fans always seem to see.

I could go back and find this very thread 1-3-5-10-15-20 :cool: years ago asking this very question.

Thank Glock, buy 10mm's, roll your own ammo and enjoy.

The Glock 40 (not the caliber- come on Glock you know that's going to throw some people off) looks very interesting but it won't likely out sell any other Glock model. :cool:
 
1911 models are popping up and Glock is adding the Model 40 a long slide 10mm, but in general is any other major maker making a 10mm?
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Sig (x4), Tanfoglio (x many models), Grand Power (said to be in the works), Sarsilmaz K2 (though not imported) ... :cool:
 
I agree that "roll your owners" are the primary support mechanism--but that is changing as more and more ammo manufacturers roll out 10mm offerings and gradually lowering prices. If you take the "non-voodoo" regular production 9mm's 45acp 40 S&W etc and compare their ballistics--especially their trajectory and impact energy in the 50 to 100 yds range--that is where the 10mm stands alone IMO. And then we'll have more carbines and SBR's in 10mm being generated.
 
Sig (x4), Tanfoglio (x many models), Grand Power (said to be in the works), Sarsilmaz K2 (though not imported)
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Again I see a few very unique 10mm's coming on line, not many, and Tanfoglio is the other long time maker. Never owned a Tan though. Did the frame cracking and slide cracking issues with the starvel type finish get fixed?

The Sig I gave props too, but the cost? Over a grand will not entice new buyers easily.

The other two don't sound cheap or easy to aquire.


but that is changing as more and more ammo manufacturers roll out 10mm offerings and gradually lowering prices.
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If its the standard watered down 10mm ammo of today then no thanks.
Any in the popular defense ammo line or is it all boutique stuff?

Great hunting round if you roll your own.

Well who knows :confused: but I doubt its a major resurgence, but Sig gives hope.
 
I like that more companies are starting to produce "normal" 10mm ammo, not the watered down junk loaded at .40 S&W levels. I picked up 2 boxes of the Sig branded ammo yesterday. They were only $27 for 50 rounds loaded with 180gr FMJ @ a claimed 1,260 fps with 634lbft of energy. This compared to the other brands loaded with 180gr @ 950fps +/- which cost $35+ for 50 rounds...


Looking forward to trying them out in my G20...
 
I found the Sig 180gn FMJ ammo to be quite warm, probably every bit of the box-flap claim of 1250fps. This was out of my G20. It reminded me of DT's early lots of their 180gn 10mm FMJ training load, also spec-ed at 1250fps.

I haven't seen it yet, but supposedly Sig will be offering a 180gn JHP load as well.

Last year Federal introduced a non-watered down 10mm 180gn load using a Trophy Bonded JSP at 1275fps. It's has garnered some positive reviews.
 
I also agree that the Glock 20 probably single-handedly kept the market for full power 10mm alive. Once the 1911 style and others get down into the $800 range I think we'll see even greater support for the cartridge (hint hint Ruger!)
 
Well I'm glad to hear some ammo companies ofter something more with the rounds potential. Decent prices?

My first ammo supply, way back when, was the norma round that got all the flak about battering the early delta elites.

The sw 10 series " tanks" and the megastar "battlestar" couldn't get battered by any 10 rounds. Glocks are glocks!

The bren ten was pretty strong too but the wyoming arms rattled lose some parts...
 
If this sig ammo is really full power or even close, I might just check out the new Long slide Glock 40...
 
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