Iraq, Are Things Even Worse Than We Think?
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On the money! Talk about support. I wanted the President to go after that SOB Bin Laden. I would have supported immediate strikes anywhere in the world, and to hell with any country that didn't like us protecting ourselves. But at first there was all this talk and planning. Then I went to sleep one day and Bin Laden was the guy to get and I woke up to find we were really after Saddam Hussein. Ok, Saddam is a bad guy...no problem, but why did we change focus? Agree or disagree with the way Israel operates but I wish we could do the same. If you hit Israel today then tomorrow they are going to be after you no holds barred. I think most Americans that are not supporting this war would have fully agreed to go after anyone that directly attacks this country. Hell, if I was younger I would have gone back to my old Army unit to have a chance to kill Bin Laden. Do they still use M1's?
Some time after WWII Washington Civilians convinced themselves and the Government that they, not the military were the ones who ran the wars.
And convinced a portion of the civilian populance that the individual had the option to be drafted and sent to battle or run off with his tail between his legs to Canada to avoid serving, or to Universities to avoid the draft.
Both the Pro-War and Anti-War crowds have and have had an erronius opinion of the way that things really are. For instance if the Middle East's primary product was other than oil, we wouldn't be there fighting. And if some didn't think we were God's answer to the Policeman of the World, we wouldn't be there. On the other hand the time worn princible that this Nation must be protected from it's enemies has tremendous merit. It is rather sad that the Politicians ignore or want to automatically make citizens who illegally enter the US, welcome their huge families, and look the other way while our
American culture is being hispanicized.
American leaders do not know how to wage war any longer, to kill people and destroy property. Perhaps we need the entire US Military on our Borders rather than trying to make silk purses out of sow's ears in the Middle East?
And convinced a portion of the civilian populance that the individual had the option to be drafted and sent to battle or run off with his tail between his legs to Canada to avoid serving, or to Universities to avoid the draft.
Both the Pro-War and Anti-War crowds have and have had an erronius opinion of the way that things really are. For instance if the Middle East's primary product was other than oil, we wouldn't be there fighting. And if some didn't think we were God's answer to the Policeman of the World, we wouldn't be there. On the other hand the time worn princible that this Nation must be protected from it's enemies has tremendous merit. It is rather sad that the Politicians ignore or want to automatically make citizens who illegally enter the US, welcome their huge families, and look the other way while our
American culture is being hispanicized.
American leaders do not know how to wage war any longer, to kill people and destroy property. Perhaps we need the entire US Military on our Borders rather than trying to make silk purses out of sow's ears in the Middle East?
I am OK with that.
This link just shows how it's going to be. Many candidates are going to run on a platform of getting us out of Iraq when they come to office. There is going to be a race to see who wants to get us out first. Just the way it is.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070619/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_party_activists
Joliet Jake
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threegun said:
Too point out the blood of children that you accept and even seem to desire is all too real. and what's "the presence of nefarious activity"? Everyone there has guns and what the heck do "militants" look like anyway? Do "militants" wear black turbins, al qaeda red and regular afgan muslims wear white? They all look the same to me and the other 2 were "detained" not captured so how do you know they weren't released later that day. You defend poor intel, poor planning, poor tactics, poor excuses and the death of innocent people which causes "Blowback".
But you never answered, how do we win? Keep doing the same thing that has never worked before?
JJ, First let me say that I don't like innocents dying. I hate even more our guys dying. If a choice of our guys going into a home to get the bad guys or blowing up the home to get them, I opt for the latter even if it means innocents die. War is terrible. They have the power to stop it. They choose to hide amongst civilians.
Put out fliers that read every roadside bomb will receive a MOAB on the nearest village. Turn in those who plant these bombs. After a few destroyed villiages either we have tips or they lose people. Just like the bombing campaigns of WW2 only our bombs can be stopped with a phone call or by flagging down a soldier.
Put out fliers that read every roadside bomb will receive a MOAB on the nearest village. Turn in those who plant these bombs. After a few destroyed villiages either we have tips or they lose people. Just like the bombing campaigns of WW2 only our bombs can be stopped with a phone call or by flagging down a soldier.
This is how the terrorists are already winning.Todays news. History repeating. I wish it were otherwise, or that this is just biased reporting thats not telling the real story.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070619/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_deja_vu
Maybe I sound like one of those pacifist...not one of those either. We should have secured our border and taken names and kicked butts one day after 9/11. I am not afraid for our country to be tough, I just think Bush went about it in the wrong way. I would have given our special forces an open ticket to get that SOB Bin Laden, and I would have backed them up to the hilt.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070619/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_deja_vu
Maybe I sound like one of those pacifist...not one of those either. We should have secured our border and taken names and kicked butts one day after 9/11. I am not afraid for our country to be tough, I just think Bush went about it in the wrong way. I would have given our special forces an open ticket to get that SOB Bin Laden, and I would have backed them up to the hilt.
Its called war. In a war you destroy the enemy no matter were he hides. If the population of civilians refuses to help us they are enemy as well. When you get this through your head you will understand how wrong you are and how hypocritical your statement is.
Being civilized has its place and that ain't on the battlefield against a savage.
Joliet Jake
Moderator
+Ditto
and cia and bounty hunters. :thumbsup:
terrorism has been around since the dawn of civilization. there is no war that will ever eliminate it. people need to understand that the Bush administration has deliberately exploited the very meaning of terrorism. if they were at all serious about our security then don't you think they would have fully secured our borders after 9/11?
very well put.
again, only fools believe that we are in Iraq for "security" when our own front door (our borders) are left wide open.
what a joke. security starts at HOME.
Problem with that is if you try this tactic prior to full scale military operations to remove the government it is very difficult to support those teams. So this tactic would have to have followed full scale operations. I would prefer your way over the present tactics. If our main military force (the anvil) is going to be used things need to get crushed to a fine powder.
I don't disagree with that point. We proved that we have the fire power to carve out any area we want in Iraq. We proved we have the logistics to support large bases to support incursions.
Here goes the arm chair again. It was the goal we set. We did not set a pure military goal. He decided to take on nation building. Now we are going to re-build their country. We are among them daily as friendly soldiers saving their country. Then at the same time we are at war with them for some of their factions attacking us. We should have keep them at distance. I liked it much better when they tried to attack us using a pickup with a .50 BMG mounted and we responded with an F16 up their rear ends.....now that's our kinda of war.
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Joliet Jake
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Why do you say 911? Wasn't the WTC attacked in '93 by terrorists. Weren't we attacked by terrorists in the '80's and even the '70s? Achille Loral? the olympics in '73? Wasn't an illegal alien bill passed in '86 when they knew about the problem and should have done something instead of allowing 20 million more into our country illegally.
I agree with you.
Who's "we"? The Achille Laura was an Italian Flagged and operated cruise ship, in the Mediterranean. It had several Americans aboard. The Munich Olympics was an attack on the Israeli Team, in Germany.
The first true terrorist attack on American soil in fifty years was the WTC. Despite the call for action by the American people, neither the Congress, nor the president, could pull their heads out long enough to do anything productive.
While we talk about it, Iraq was in violation of it's surrender documents during the eight year reign of the other party. Under International Law, that had reinstated the hostilities between Iraq and any member of the Coalition. Had the political leadership of the day been interested in anything more important than sex, Iraq wouldn't have had eight years to build it's resistance.
The first true terrorist attack on American soil in fifty years was the WTC. Despite the call for action by the American people, neither the Congress, nor the president, could pull their heads out long enough to do anything productive.
While we talk about it, Iraq was in violation of it's surrender documents during the eight year reign of the other party. Under International Law, that had reinstated the hostilities between Iraq and any member of the Coalition. Had the political leadership of the day been interested in anything more important than sex, Iraq wouldn't have had eight years to build it's resistance.
[sarcasm] We sure encountered "resistance" when we went in to get Saddam. Boy our casualties were in the thousands... all those lines of tanks going against ours; it was one of the greatest battles in history [/sarcasm] because unfortunately there are too many simple people out there...
i completely agree with YOU. terrorism has been around forever, it's only the bush administration that has exploited it to a point of fear tactics. it's absurd what bush has done to our great country - all in the name of 9/11.
cool. because it makes perfect sense to me.
Joliet Jake
Moderator
The liberals did an excellent job of spinning this war. They call this war illegal and that is a lie. It didn't help that Bush refused to defend himself and now refuses to change tactics. Point is we were justified in attacking Iraq the first time they violated the peace agreement.
EGO,
You do know that the enemy has vowed to kill us again in an even more spectacular way right. Just what has Bush done to damage our great country? After your thread on the Masons this answer could be quit interesting.