Invasive questions?

"No, Doc, I didn't lie on the form, I didn't have any guns when I filled it out, but seeing those questions made me decide to go out and get some!"

After all, if they are important enough for you to ask about, then I better have some, right?....

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Are you kidding me??? Of course I'm going to lie on some doctor's questionnaire about guns! I'm not going to leave it blank. I'm not going to state that I own any guns. I'm not going to give any snarky comment about the invasive questions. I'M JUST GOING TO LIE!, and be darn proud to do it too. I'll probably answer "NO" to darned near everything in the questionnaire that has nothing to do with why I'm at the doctor that very instant.
 
Why lie? Just don't answer the question. There's no requirement for you to do so.

I also work admin-side in a major hospital system, and every day, hundreds of patients don't fill out forms correctly, or in some cases, at all. And a lot of those forms are for things that we actually do need to know for billing, treatment, or records purposes. Our patient family history form is like ten pages long, and the personal health questionnaire is at least that long.

We have a one-page form where you're supposed to fill in the name of the doctor who referred you to us in one section and the name of your primary care physician in the other. This form is pretty simple, but I have seen it filled out in at least fifty uniquely wrong ways.

So given the enormous mountain of health history and personal information records that are done in the country, and the fact that there is no penalty for filling them out incorrectly or not filling them out entirely, it represents a unique level of paranoia to think that:

1. The government is going to require all physicians to ask about guns in the home.
2. There will be a criminal penalty for failing to answer correctly.
3. This will be retroactively effective despite the Constitutional prohibition on ex post facto laws. (Note, this is different from the Lautenberg Amendment in that this is behavior that is not currently criminal).
4. Someone is actually going to go back, figure out all the doctors who were already asking questions about gun ownership, and wade through all their mountains of paperwork to see if they answered "No," and THEN
5. Go to the house of the person in question, and try to establish both that they own firearms and that said fireams were owned at the time the original form was completed.

That's ridiculous.
 
So given the enormous mountain of health history and personal information records that are done in the country, and the fact that there is no penalty for filling them out incorrectly or not filling them out entirely, it represents a unique level of paranoia to think that:

1. The government is going to require all physicians to ask about guns in the home.
2. There will be a criminal penalty for failing to answer correctly.
3. This will be retroactively effective despite the Constitutional prohibition on ex post facto laws. (Note, this is different from the Lautenberg Amendment in that this is behavior that is not currently criminal).
4. Someone is actually going to go back, figure out all the doctors who were already asking questions about gun ownership, and wade through all their mountains of paperwork to see if they answered "No," and THEN
5. Go to the house of the person in question, and try to establish both that they own firearms and that said fireams were owned at the time the original form was completed.

That's ridiculous.
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You know, a few years ago I'd have agreed with you. However, I'd have thought someone paranoid if they'd told me that the government was actively involved in trafficking guns to Mexican Drug Cartels, using the IRS to harass people for exercising their freedom of speech, using predator drones to kill American citizens without trial, or spying on just about everyone who uses a computer or cellphone a few years ago too. The one thing I've come to realize with respect to the government over the last few years is that just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
 
So here is what I am wondering....

1)So if you leave the form blank, they don't have to give you coverage.

2)It might be difficult to find other health care providers in your area that don't ask, or you might not find the coverage you need.

3)If you lie and they find out about it, you can be cancelled coverage (when you need it most). You might be liable for any claims while you were covered (read fine print when signing after lying...)
a) I don't have any reason not to believe that someday it could be illegal to lie about this for healthcare coverage, considering the Affordable Healthcare Act. After all it is now a law you must have healthcare....
 
Why lie? Just don't answer the question. There's no requirement for you to do so
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For the very reason you state further down in your post: "...the enormous mountain of health history and personal information records that are done in the country".

So, I lie because:
1. I am not assured that this information doesn't get reported to insurance companies, and in fact it probably does get reported;
2. I don't want insurance companies having access to information I don't want them to have access to;
3. I don't trust insurance companies because: 1) they are now too tied to our government and 2) they are corrupt, thieving companies that will intentionally delay and deny claims to save a buck;
4. I think most doctors are naive about how insurance companies can and do access this information;
5. Answering "NO" doesn't promote further discussion or red-flag anything for discussion.
6. Also, if I'm at a doctor's office to get a prescription for Tamiflu, or even just to get a flu shot, they do not need to know ANYTHING about me other than if I am allergic to Tamiflu/flu-shot and how I intend on paying for the doctor's services.

The bottom line: I don't just go blindly answering irrelevant questions in any setting and my method of fighting people who think its ok to gather irrelevant information on me is to respond "NO". If more folks did this, they would stop asking stupid questions because the data would be irrelevant.

It's like when a bum approaches me while I'm pumping gas asking me questions and trying to engage me in conversation: I have my hand in my pocket holding my gun, and everything that comes out of my mouth is going to be a bald-faced lie while I'm trying to assess the situation. Or, when the Amway salesman approaches me with the line "You look like an enterprising fellow, a real go getter...". No sir, not going to get my real name, phone number, or anything else from me other than a bunch of utter nonsense that comes out of my mouth.

There are simply too many beggers, bums, scammers, con artists, and opportunists out there that want to take advantage of good folks, and the current federal government and it's cronnie insurance companies are right down there with the worst of them.
 
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"...and the current federal government and it's cronnie insurance companies are right down there with the worst of them. "

Yep.
And if you like your current health care plan, you can keep it.
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Haven't been to see the doc for about a year and a half. Never had to fill out such a nosy questionnaire, but I do recall others on this forum making mention of it. I believe I'd just leave a lot of it blank.

Let the underground double secret medical spies do their worst. ;)
 
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Isn't that limited to criminal law and not civil law?
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We would be talking about criminal law here. The government doesn't pass laws that make prohibited acts civil offenses. Civil cases are between individuals, or between corporations, or between an individual or corporation against the government (or vice-verso) over a contractual dispute.
 
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