Invasive questions?

From Aguila Blanca:
"In general, I am opposed to lying. On this issue, I advocate lying.

"Do you have any guns in your home?"

"Nope." "

I agree with this approach. And this applies to anyone who asks that question. If they don't know me well enough to know the answer without asking, they're not getting a truthful response.
 
It's not limited to just "you". They ask our kids these same questions.. Are there guns in the house? It's unethical and unconstitutional.
 
It's unethical and unconstitutional.
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If it is not asked by a governmental agency, compelled by a government regulation or law enforcement, it is not unconstitutional. Can we get the Constitution usage correct? The former cases - a constitutional lawyer can debate but let's be clear.

A private citizen physician can ask you what they feel like. You can answer what you want.
 
Pond's response to this topic was great. Dude lives in Estonia and knows more about the US Constitution than 80% of the voters over here.

That being said, I also share a lot of concerns about privacy and the information that gets entered into medical records... And mandatory surveys at work (mandated by DoD)... And a whole lot of other sources. Stuff that sounds innocent enough has the potential to be shared and combined with other "innocent" sounding questions from other sources, and then soon enough the enemies of liberty connect dots to point to you as a potential threat to the "health" of your community, or some other collectivist sounding thoughtcrime.

There are way too many people in these United States who think anyone wanting to keep a firearm for self preservation should be locked up on sight, and they are steadily working to develop insidious, under-the-radar methods for attaining this goal... And as was stated earlier, ex-post facto is just a mere inconvenience which can easily be overcome, given the proper planning and ensuring the bill is too big for anyone to read.
 
1stmar said:
It's not limited to just "you". They ask our kids these same questions.. Are there guns in the house? It's unethical and unconstitutional.
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I agree that it's unethical, but it most certainly isn't unconstitutional. Where in the Constitution does it say that pediatricians can't ask patients about guns in the house?
 
By unconstitutional I meant compelling people to respond to these questions and potentially being liable for responses in the future.
 
By unconstitutional I meant compelling people to respond to these questions and potentially being liable for responses in the future.
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If the government does it, then you are essentially correct.

if it is done by a private entity such as a doctor, insurance company, or private employer, then you are incorrect, it is not unconstitutional. It can still be rude, invasive, and unethical, but its not unconstitutional.

wacks the horse again...yep, still dead...
:rolleyes:
 
This was in response to mehaveys posts, which are govt driven. And btw I think he is right in that the questions will be driven by feds and be part of your medical record which again will be on file with the Feds.
 
Originally posted by Glenn E. Meyer
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It's unethical and unconstitutional.

If it is not asked by a governmental agency, compelled by a government regulation or law enforcement, it is not unconstitutional. Can we get the Constitution usage correct? The former cases - a constitutional lawyer can debate but let's be clear.

A private citizen physician can ask you what they feel like. You can answer what you want.
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While in many, if not most, of the discussions that the the word "unconstitutional" is thrown about I would agree with you, I must take difference as it pertains to this particular discussion. The government has many ways in which it can compel someone to do something beyond simply making it legal or illegal.

A great many of the practices in healthcare are in place not because they are legally required or even medical best practice, but rather because they are standards which must be met for insurance reimbursement. One of the largest health insurance organizations is Medicare and most healthcare providers accept Medicare because the elderly are the demographic which use healthcare services the most.

I can tell you from firsthand experience (I work in a healthcare facility) that the majority of the charting that I do on a daily basis is solely for Medicare reimbursement. Also, much of the charting and assessment practices that are required for Medicare reimbursement are carried over to patients with other insurance or who are private pay because it is simpler and easier from an administrative standpoint to simply have one set of charting and assessment standards.

Simply put, if the government wants physicians, nurses, and other healthcare professionals asking about the patients' owning firearms, all they have to do is make such questioning a requirement for Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement. By simply threatening to withhold reimbursement, the government can compel the healthcare industry to do just about anything without having to make anything outright illegal.
 
Webleymkv said:
Simply put, if the government wants physicians, nurses, and other healthcare professionals asking about the patients' owning firearms, all they have to do is make such questioning a requirement for Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement. By simply threatening to withhold reimbursement, the government can compel the healthcare industry to do just about anything without having to make anything outright illegal.
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The Constitution is a list of limitations on government powers. Since the Constitution does not prohibit government from asking how many guns you have in your house, doing so cannot be unconstitutional. The fact we don't like it doesn't change that.
 
...all they have to do is make such questioning a requirement for Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement....
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At that point answering falsely will be made a crime... which is where I came in.

If the gov't can, it will.
If the gov't has information, it will use that information.
Anyone that doesn't ascribe to these two truths is whistling in dark.
 
The Constitution is a list of limitations on government powers. Since the Constitution does not prohibit government from asking how many guns you have in your house, doing so cannot be unconstitutional. The fact we don't like it doesn't change that.
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One could argue that it was covered by the Right to Privacy found in the penumbra of the Constitution, as discovered by the Supreme Court during the elcipse of 1965. Firearms possession having no discernable relationship to influenza infection, you know.
 
Q: "Why did you leave all these questions blank?"

A: "I'm just protecting you from an ethics complaint for boundary violations"
 
The doctor no doubt has certification proof for medical training, probably on ever available wall space.
But do they have certifications for showing training and expertise in psychiatry, gun safety and the other subjects they were quizzing you about?
 
But do they have certifications for showing training and expertise in psychiatry,
gun safety and the other subjects they were quizzing you about...?
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`Doesn't matter (as I preach to the choir). The increasing role of ObamaCare
will (IMHO) require it as a matter of "Healthcare/Condition of Service"

BTW: The army of gov't bureacrats who then process/use this data
for political purposes will have even fewer qualifications.




(Remember that bet for a case of AA)
 
The doctor no doubt has certification proof for medical training, probably on ever available wall space.
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Which proves only that they didn't flunk out.....

License to Practice....

When I find one that knows what they are doing so they don't need to practice any more, them, I might begin to trust...

:D
 
Constitutional, unconstitutional, illegal, unethical or just plain irrelevant... none of it matters.

What matters is whether or not you lie on a medical form and whether or not your insurance company finds out about it.
Of course gun ownership is not just cause to pull coverage, but lying may be.
You could even be sued to recover payments made by them after filling out the form, depending on state laws.

You'd certainly be "in the right" on the subject, but their lawyers can drain your account fighting it.

Leave that section blank or seek a Dr office who does not ask such unrelated questions..

(I work for several insurance companies indirectly, never give them an excuse to try to save a few bucks.)
 
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