Glenn Bartley
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Micahweeks,
Are you a law enforcement officer? If so, I have to wonder about your below reply to this quote:
Here was your reply, the one I would question:
Are you implying that you would indeed use deadly force to protect a shop keeper's property? So if someone stole some jewelry, even at gun point, then was making a get away, would you shoot him even if he was not at that point posing a threat to someone else? Note that the person to whom you replied did not say he would not use deadly force to defend a life, nor did he say that he does not want his property protected, but simply that as a business owner he would not use deadly force, and would be angry with others who did use it, to merely recover or defend his property. He was not, it seems, talking about justifiably shooting someone who posed a threat of serious bodily injury or death.
While the law may allow you to use deadly force on fleeing felons, I am fairly certain that even then the requirement, in most jurisdictions that allow such, is that the fleeing felon poses an imminent threat to someone. You seem to have implied you would use deadly force merely to recover property or protect it. Is that legal in your jurisdiction? Even if legal, can you understand how some people may not think their property is worth taking a life?
Me personally, I'd like to see the thugs brought down right out. I would like to have seen Thalheimer get them all, but that is only a small part of my personal view point. Then again there are laws and truth be told, I choose to follow the law over that personal desire (yet while trying to change the law through legal options to make it easier to get the bad guys) and not become a thug myself so long as the laws are not tyranical and unjust to the extreme.
All the best,
Glenn B
Are you a law enforcement officer? If so, I have to wonder about your below reply to this quote:
I am a business owner. I would not use deadly force to defend or recover property and would be extremely angry with anyone who tried to do so on my behalf.
Here was your reply, the one I would question:
Really? How easy my job would be if Memphis business owners felt that way. Or Mississippians for that matter. I could just resond to a call and sit in my patrol vehicle until it's over then go write a report! And everyone would thank me for not being so foolish as to try and defend their stuff!
Just like all those YouTube commentators that think it is reckless to pursue speeders! They'll all thank me for not chasing reckless drivers and adding to the danger already on the road.
I'm just saying that YOU may not want stuff protected, but, believe me, I hear a plethora of gripes everyday from people who do. I respect your feelings on it, truly. I just have to hear to much to the contrary for my taste and have to accommodate them, too.
Are you implying that you would indeed use deadly force to protect a shop keeper's property? So if someone stole some jewelry, even at gun point, then was making a get away, would you shoot him even if he was not at that point posing a threat to someone else? Note that the person to whom you replied did not say he would not use deadly force to defend a life, nor did he say that he does not want his property protected, but simply that as a business owner he would not use deadly force, and would be angry with others who did use it, to merely recover or defend his property. He was not, it seems, talking about justifiably shooting someone who posed a threat of serious bodily injury or death.
While the law may allow you to use deadly force on fleeing felons, I am fairly certain that even then the requirement, in most jurisdictions that allow such, is that the fleeing felon poses an imminent threat to someone. You seem to have implied you would use deadly force merely to recover property or protect it. Is that legal in your jurisdiction? Even if legal, can you understand how some people may not think their property is worth taking a life?
Me personally, I'd like to see the thugs brought down right out. I would like to have seen Thalheimer get them all, but that is only a small part of my personal view point. Then again there are laws and truth be told, I choose to follow the law over that personal desire (yet while trying to change the law through legal options to make it easier to get the bad guys) and not become a thug myself so long as the laws are not tyranical and unjust to the extreme.
All the best,
Glenn B
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