Informal 2004 Voter Poll

Who did you vote for in the 2004 Presidential Election?

  • Emperor Bush (Republican-Skull & Bones)

    Votes: 37 62.7%

  • John Forbes sKerry (Democrat-Skull & Bones)

    Votes: 8 13.6%

  • Michael Badnarik (Libertarian)

    Votes: 11 18.6%

  • David Cobb (Green)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Michael Peroutka (Constitution)

    Votes: 1 1.7%

  • Ralphie O'Nader (Independent)

    Votes: 1 1.7%

  • Walt Brown (Socialist)

    Votes: 1 1.7%

  • Other/Write In

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    59
I do not know how anybody would vote for Kerry, who is a complete empty suit, unless they voted against Bush.

Now listen to this. I want Bush in the White House because I think a major rebellion is brewing in the Republican Party between the Bushies and the real Republican conservatives who are fed up with some of his policies and actions. This rebellion is openly talked about on national conservative talk radio, even before the election.

I think it could come to be that the conservative Republicans, along conservative Democrats and many conservative independents will form a major party that has a chance of winning. The national Democratic Party has been taken over by the far left, and has marginalized conservative Democrats.

What do you guys think? Am I nuts?
 
gburner, that's just my belief and I'm entitled to it right? Besides, if there wasn't some ring of truth to it, you wouldn't be so offended now would you. I'm not really sure what compromise has to do with this discussion.

BTW...the next time that you run a poll, have the common decency not to mock folks with your insipid, juvenile labels that you insist on attaching to everything.
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Yes sir! Lighten up Francis.
 
gfen, visionary? I do not think I have ever had an original idea. Or, so I have been told.

But my scenario might happen. Before 1854 there were two major political parties, the Democrats and the Whigs. In 1854 the Republican party was created and they went on to win the White House in 1860 election.

By the way, what is a "moderate communist"? Never heard that one before.
 
MOA:

Bit of a joke, really. The registration card says communist, but the voting record says moderate.
 
Perhaps, rather than mockingly asking folks who they voted for, better questions would be...for those of you who voted for a third party candidate, what did your vote accomplish, how did it improve the nation, what changes did you hope to inspire?
 
My vote accomplished just that. A vote for my candidate of choice. Voting for the candidate who you respect and agree with rather than the one you're told to vote for goes a long way toward making an improvement in this country.

Your vote accomplished a vote for a candidate who you don't respect. You have sacrificed your vote on the altar of collectivism.
 
> what did your vote accomplish, how did it improve the nation, what changes did you hope to inspire?

Valid questions.

My answer:
I voted for a candidate whose platform most closely matched my own thoughts and feelings on how things ought to be in this country, one whose suggested policy I believe is much closer to those of Washington, Madison, and Jefferson. By doing so, I increased the strength of that party, hopefully hastening the day when a Libertarian candidate might actually win. I also set an example for others to follow, since I always mention this when these kinds of discussions come up. Further, those of us who did this sent a message to the Eurosocialist Party, aka Democratic Party, and the Big Brother Party, aka GOP, that they do not speak for us.

If we all simply toe the line and vote for the "approved" parties despite our revulsion for their policies and representatives, then we are no different than voters in places like China or North Korea or Orwell's dystopia. If, on the other hand, there is an evolutionary growth in the viability of third parties, especially the larger ones like the LP, then perhaps the day when a Libertarian candidate will in fact be a viable alternative instead of simply a preferable one will come sooner, not later.

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Psycho...
Just as your vote was sacrificed on the altar of impotent victimhood. You don't know what it is to compromise your 'ideals' because you know that you're not going to win...EVER. But winning is not important to you 'cause if you won then you'd have to do something besides run your mouth. Your vote is egotistical symbolism; political masturbation. What a luxury it must be to sit at home, blaming 'big brother' for all of your problems while pleasuring yourself at the thought of supporting a party that never has nor never will have even the most miniscule effect on the political environment or world events. Your candidates ideas exist only in theory. Your candidates don't win in any meaningful elections, so they don't have to produce any meaningful results. To you, they are above the criticism and reproach of us dirty folks who have to operate in the world, make real world choices, make real world compromises. Meanwhile you scorfully take a free ride on the backs of those of us who have to take the real world a little more seriously and all the while you throw rocks fom the margins. You're the lunatic fringe. Grow up.
 
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control media.....?

And what- how tilted and what direction do you think the media is?

Let me give one example of a control media....

Yesterday 7 Marines were killed in combat in Iraq. The story will tell how and give some details but the reporter or paper fails to include that 75 enemy killed. They seldom tell us much about the positive things our troops are slowly getting done. So when you tell me about a control media I understand you mean the slam the president and efforts media. I agree with the idea that the 2 big parties are corporate financed groups. Is this something new that just happen to come along this year....NO

We can look back into history and do some research.... The $ in this country has talked and has control ofthe machine for many years...
 
dev..null...

That was the most reasoned, intellegent and persuasive argument that I have ever read for voting for ANY third party candidate. Thank you for the education.
 
Psycho,
if your intention is truly to help create a viable 3rd party, wouldn't you be posting about the 2008 election, instead of rehashing opinions about an election that is already come and gone? Even though they didn't win the presidential election, surely the Libertarian party and others are active in trying to influence in other ways, right? Or are they simply standing on their soap box and hollering out derisions on everyone else, as you seem prone to do? Reading your posts, I learn nothing about the Libertarian or other 3rd party postions. All I hear is that everyone who voted for Bush or Kerry is a simpleminded sheep following the collective herd.
In the words of Seinfeld's chararcter Babbo..."we are bad...very, very bad..."
Bah..ah....
 
Well said Dev Null! You hit the nail right on the head!

I believe in time that the Libertarians wil gain more ground as more people wake up and realize that they are being had. Just my .02
 
What a luxury it must be to sit at home, blaming 'big brother' for all of your problems while pleasuring yourself at the thought of supporting a party that never has nor never will have even the most miniscule effect on the political environment or world events.
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Without the Libertarians and Greens who "wasted their votes" supporting their parties, we'd be watching Kerry's second-term inauguration on TV now. The Greens and Libertarians combined got far more votes than the margin between R and D in both elections. So much for "not even the most miniscule effect on the political environment".

I have a problem with your "political masturbation" comment directed at people who actually vote their ideals. We keep losing our freedoms precisely because of the majority which votes the lesser of two evils every damn time.

If enough people vote third-party to tip the balance in close races between the Republicrats (like the last two Presidential elections), then sooner or later the two big parties will have to change in order to gain those voters. If they do that, then they move slowly back to a pro-freedom position...if they don't, then the third parties will get stronger with every election.
 
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