In Defense of Pet?

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Creature, are you arguing that someone who has just committed an act of murder and is still armed is NOT an imminent threat to others?
 
I have two Chihuahuas so anyone attempting to shoot them would just be doing so out of meanness.

I don't do meanness. Especially to me or mine by some stranger on my own property. Thankfully in Texas we don't have to retreat.

Shooting and killing a dog is not murder.
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Neither is it murder for someone to slap my wife in face. But you'd end up just as dead.
 
Neither is it murder for someone to slap my wife in face. But you'd end up just as dead.
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And you would spend the rest of your adult life behind bars for killing the person who slapped your wife.
 
Shooting and killing a dog is not murder.
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Well whatever you want to call it... I take someone killing my dog while intruding on my property ( see OP and scenario ) as a direct threat to my personal well being. Enough of a threat to warrant the use of deadly force.
 
Creature, a person doesn't even need a weapon in florida to be shot deader than a door nail for threatening the health of my family or myself. So if they are willing to attack a bulldog with any means available to them I am safe to think I am next...
He can commence kickin' my dog with his hands in his pockets and still come after me next and I don't think I will be waiting to take the beating...
Sux to live in some states as an honest god fearin' man and even worse to live as a criminal in others...
Brent
 
Lets say a stranger Walks up on your property now hypothetically speaking lets say you have a electric invisable fence that keeps the dog in yrd.The guy approaches may be he say hello how you doing may be he says nothing until up close.Now lets say your dog feels threated of his or her territory and charges a full out attack.That stranger fears his life is in danger or bodily harm ,perhaps he been attacked before,perhaps he didn;t see your dog before he came on the property,and he pulls a gun and klills your dog.Now you draw to shoot him and perhaps its not fatal and he returns fire and kills you or perhaps a miss and the stray bullet pass through your home killing may be your wife or child.what if that stranger was going to ask for direction he was lost or he wanted some info on the car parked on the street l that has a sale sign in the window and he thought it belonged to you.A lot of maybe here but you just never know.
 
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Serious reexamination of what constitutes an imminent threat and the use of deadly force to protect property is in order for some here. A dog is not considered a family member in any state. If you cant claim a dog as a dependent on your taxes, it aint a family member.
 
Guy pulling a gun on my..

property would have to be "put to sleep" by lead poisoning, the dog would have nothing to do with it. But what if you are out walking and a dog goes after me, I would use a knife or gun to protect myself,... interesting
 
"I disagree. No animal's life is worth more than a human's life. That is a point of law. And I am surprised that as a moderator you are publicly espousing this line of thinking."

Good. You have a different opinion. That's your right.


And what, just because I have a position on staff I can't have a contrarian opinion on something? Gee, that's a new one.

My opinions about the 'human' race should be well known to anyone who has been posting here for a long time, as this is not the first time this kind of question has come up.
 
Not if the dirtbag's weapon is re-holstered its not.
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You can keep making up different scenarios as you go, but holstered or not, if an uninvited guest kills my dog he/she likely does not come in peace. Im not saying that I would shoot someone just for killing my dog.

I'm just imagining hearing a gunshot on my property and coming out to find my dead dog and a man with a gun... At that point I would have reason to fear for my life.
 
"A dog is not considered a family member in any state. If you cant claim a dog as a dependent on your taxes, it aint a family member."

When I turned 18 my father could no longer claim me on his taxes, but I still lived at home.

Does that mean I was no longer a family member?

I suppose that you also have definitive case law that clearly states that under no circumstances can a companion animal be considered a family member?

In order to be equally applicable, it would need to be from the Federal court system.

In fact, pets DO have at least some "human" rights under law - such as the right to inherit property from their owners. Pets can be made the sole inheritor of an estate. Of course a conservator has to be appointed to administer the holding. But, you know what, that sounds a lot like what happens when a child inherits...
 
This high sense of nobility and reverence we seem to imbue in "humanity" is as misplaced as it is wasted.
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Someone after me own heart...

"Well, if he's an angel, all right then... But he damn well must be a killer angel. Colonel, darling, you're a lovely man. I see a vast difference between us, yet I admire you, lad. You're an idealist, praise be. The truth is, Colonel... There is no "divine spark". There's many a man alive of no more of value than a dead dog. Believe me. When you've seen them hang each other the way I have back in the Old Country. Equality? What I'm fighting for is to prove I'm a better man than many of them. Where have you seen this "divine spark" in operation, Colonel? Where have you noted this magnificent equality? No two things on Earth are equal or have an equal chance. Bit a leaf, nor a tree. There's many a man worse than me, and some better..."
-Buster Kilrain in Gettysburg
 
Lets take the hypothetical scenario...
Stranger comes on my property armed he has committed felony "Armed Trespass" already then he "Brandishes" said firearm... Shoots my dog "Criminal destruction of private property" And I hear the shot... Hear is where the hypothetical ends... I open the door and send 2 ounces of hot lead at his center of mass as I am in fear of my families health and well being... He spins and raises weapon and is not already "stopped" he gets 2 more ounces and I will follow this with one more before I go after more ammo. I practice enough to be fairly certain he will be hit a minimum of 4 out 5 shots... Those who are allowed on my place armed know full well who they are... any one else better find a place to leave their gun off my place. If they just coming over to be neighborly they don't need to commit multiple felonies to do it... I do not have the invisible fence and I do have 3 indoor/outdoor dogs who will run up to anyone if they are out at the time. If these same dogs leave my property and get shot by the same guy I will not complain as a red pit cross coming at you on your place or public roadway is grounds for self defense.
As you see I am not only a hard nose about "ME AND MINE" I am also brutally fair about it.
Brent
 
Good. You have a different opinion. That's your right.
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...its also a point of law.
When I turned 18 my father could no longer claim me on his taxes, but I still lived at home.

Does that mean I was no longer a family member?
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No...it means that your pop can not longer claim you as a dependent which in turn means Uncle Sam can tax your income directly.
 
Man, you guys are seriously distracting me from my Controls lab :p

I open the door and send 2 ounces of hot lead at his center of mass as I am in fear of my families health and well being
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Do you not think that maybe starting a gunfight would further endanger your family? No offense intended here, im honestly curious. I just think that if my dog is already dead, and the intruder still presents a valid thread, I send everyone upstairs into one room, get everyone armed, and call the police. Maybe not the most noble thing to do, but it just seems like the safer bet for all...

Mike:
Maybe I missed over what you said, but Im a little confused as to what you think the correct course of action would be for the OP...
 
There are an awful lot of folks here advocating breaking the law by lying to the police about what happened. That in and of itself should indicate the answers are wrong.

Definitley a K-9 is a officer of the law,Attempt to kill or injur one is the same as trying to resist and hurt a Officer.
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I'm aware of no state that allows a person to be charged wiwth murder for killing a K-9.

No animal's life is worth more than a human's life. That is a point of law.
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Creature and I disagree at times, but that is right on the money. A very few states MIGHT allow the killing under their property laws, but even those are pretty restricted most of the time.
 
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"its also a point of law."

Incorrect, at least as a definitive, all encompassing statement such as you're intending it to be.

As has been stated a number of times, there are more than a few states that consider deadly force to protect PROPERTY to be a justifiable use of said deadly force.

Under law in most, if not all, states, pets are considered to be PROPERTY.

Your apparent assertion that no use of force to protect property under any circumstance is justifiable is wrong both on its face and in fact.
 
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