In Defense of Pet?

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In a word, yes.

Intruder with a gun? Threat.

Intruder attempting to shoot my dog? Threat to my friend and my property and ultimately to me.


In many states, canines are considered to be police officers, and assulting them/killing them is treated just as if a human officer was injured/killed.

It's happened a number of times in the metro DC area where someone has injured a police dog and has gone to jail on charges of assaulting a police officer.

In most areas I THINK it's a lower-class feony than if one were to assault a human officer, but it's still a felony.
 
Legally, in Ohio, you cannot use deadly force to protect property.

That being said, if he is going to shoot my dog, I would be in fear for my life. My assumption is that he is shooting the dog, so he can assault me. Thus, I can take his life. Dead men make bad witnesses.
 
And you would be up to your eyes in a legal mess. A dog is a dog and no dog is worth a human life....dirtbag or otherwise. Virginia case law does not support using a deadly weapon in defense of personal property.
 
Did he raise his right paw and state his name?

A dog is a dog and a jury will never put a dog's life above a human's
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i didn't raise my right hand, nor state my name, yet the commission card in my wallet, as well as the badge on my chest, say i'm a sworn officer. however, teh person who issued the card, was sworn in as mayor....

and i challange you to go hurt a k-9, matter of fact, i double dare you. we'll see who's life they cherish more. btw, ignore all those "he was resisting" bumps and bruises you'll recieve for hurting a fellow officer. your life means way more to those cops then that dogs... :rolleyes:

that dog is as much cop, if not more, then it's handler. go ahead with your sarcasm and follow through on my challenge. you'll regret it, of that i'll promise.
 
"Yp to your eyes in a legal mess."

Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the state, depends on the intruder's intentions. In Virginia I can use force, even lethal force, to protect property.

And, actually, I have a slightly different take on it.

No human's life is worth anything even remotely close to that of the mangiest cur.

This high sense of nobility and reverence we seem to imbue in "humanity" is as misplaced as it is wasted.

But, that's my thought on the subject.
 
and i challange you to go hurt a k-9, matter of fact, i double dare you.
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This thread is not talking about a K-9. The OP is talking about his perasonal pet dog. So there...I double dog dare ya to shot a person over a dog and see how it works out for ya.
 
Definitley a K-9 is a officer of the law,Attempt to kill or injur one is the same as trying to resist and hurt a Officer.I was at my brothers house for a BD party my brother was off duty at the time.The next door neighbors son was spaced out on something and got in a domestic with his parents and kicked his father in the chest who just recoverd from a heart attack. when they tried to call the police the kid punched the wall phone and broke it.The sister ran to my brothers asked him to call the police.My brother called then went over tried talking to him and had him calm until the unit showed up.police arrived they kid split running through the backyards that leads to woods they couldn't catch him.one of the officer called for the K-9 when the car showed the officer open the back door and let the dog sent the grass area and said Go find him,the dog was up in woods in a flash.Next we hear screaming from the kid and then the dog cry out.The dirt back ripped the dogs tongue open with his bear hands but the dog remained on him on like flys on you know.When they brought the kid out of the wood besides some nasty bites the kid suffered some lumps and bumps. on the way out:D +1 for the good guys.

officer K-9 rambo is much different then Muffy the family pet.
 
PAX, The other situation is in some areas an armed person on your place has already committed a felony and to posture a violent intent has put the human in fear of their life. if the dog is attacked or shot they remove all doubt.
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Not if the shooter has re-holstered his weapon after he shot your dog while on your property. Once his weapon is holstered, he is no longer a imminent threat. That would be a "no shoot" situation then.
 
that dog is as much cop, if not more, then it's handler.
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Well, that just plain ridiculous. The "handler" is a sworn, trained human police officer. Just because the law says that hurting that dog is equal to hurting a police officer doesn't mean the dog IS a police officer. It means that they HAVE TO make it a serious crime or there wouldn't be much point in having the dog to begin with.


and i challange you to go hurt a k-9, matter of fact, i double dare you. we'll see who's life they cherish more. btw, ignore all those "he was resisting" bumps and bruises you'll recieve for hurting a fellow officer. your life means way more to those cops then that dogs...
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You mean that dog that the routinely send into situations too dangerous for a human? The dog that is used to protect humans? Is that the dog you honestly believe they cherish above human life?
 
Again...this thread is NOT about K9 dogs. This question orignally posed is whether you can shoot someone over your personal pet dog.
 
that is a delicate situation, if he survives the shooting (the uninvited guest) and is able to state that, he was in fear for his life because the dog was about to attack.. there could be a problem, on the other hand, he was uninvited, you had a fenced in yard and signs warning him, at that point he is breaking the law AND drew a gun on private property

he should of turned tail and ran for the fence, get away from the dog, in that situation i would shoot to kill, he obviously has bad intentions, breaking the law by coming onto your property, armed with a firearm and willing to use it, i would be very worried that hes killing the dog because its getting in the way of his bad intentions

not to mention, i care more about the life of most animals.. than i do about most humans, that stranger would be SOL, he should of blew the horn, stayed outside the fence and not ignored the signs
 
No human's life is worth anything even remotely close to that of the mangiest cur.
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I disagree. No animal's life is worth more than a human's life. That is a point of law. And I am surprised that as a moderator you are publicly espousing this line of thinking.
 
Again...this thread is NOT about K9 dogs. This question orignally posed is whether you can shoot someone over your personal pet dog.
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I agree. It's just that his statement is ridiculous.


Here's how I see the OP. Ask yourself this

Your child is playing in the yard and someone walks onto my property and murders him. The BG is in the process of leaving. Do I have the right to use deadly force? Shoot the guy in the back? Yes. Without a doubt, in NY state, he has committed murder and is escaping, deadly force is authorized.

Same thing, only it's a dog instead of your child. You shoot the guy in the back. Is THAT legal? Not a chance. You go to jail. Therefore, it is obvious that in the eyes of the law protecting a human or an animal is different.

There is no reason to believe that it would not be equally different in the seconds BEFORE he commits the act.
 
While a dog is legally classed as "property". I feel I am "CHARGED" with their care as much as I am my children. I am legally required to keep them healthy or face animal cruelty charges... same as not trying keep my kids healthy. Extra holes in my dogs is obviously not healthy.
I think I place a high regard for the life of respectful humans... I would never kill what I perceive to be a "good" person. But I have little regard for any human who has made it common personal behavior to prey upon any good person.
If I seen a person cruelly torturing any innocent creature I would be a very mean person. I am likely going to be judged a bad person by the "Big Guy" for this mind set and will pay the price then.
 
Deadly force to prevent escape? That is whole other can of worms...you should read this from the FBI Bulletin:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_n3_v63/ai_15353041/

An excerpt:
Constitutional Authority and Limitations

The constitutional authority to use deadly force to prevent escape from arrest was defined by the U.S. Supreme Court in Tennessee v. Garner(3) in 1985. In reviewing the constitutionality of a State statute permitting the use of deadly force to prevent the escape of all felony suspects, the Court reasoned that if a criminal suspect "poses no immediate threat to the officer and no threat to others, the harm resulting from failing to apprehend him does not justify the use of deadly force to do so."(4)

On the other hand, the Court held that deadly force may be used when "necessary to prevent escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."(5) (emphasis added).
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I am legally required to keep them healthy or face animal cruelty charges... same as not trying keep my kids healthy.
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Dogs and children are not held to the same standard. Dogs are euthanized on a wholesale basis everyday.
 
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