Immigration/Amnesty Bill - Merged Threads

One portion of the bill includes helping Mexico with medical care and job
training to prevent more immigration. Perhaps we should do that here.:rolleyes:
 
One portion of the bill includes helping Mexico with medical care and job training to prevent more immigration. Perhaps we should do that here

Been there done that. I worked in Mexico for over thirty years for our company training Mexican engineers. I paid US & Mexico taxes. Also paid for a Mexican work visa. Maybe I could go to Mexico and get free Mexican medical benefits.......OK maybe a free meal from the local taco wagon.
 
Dear get_involved,

Since you won't accept PM's and I really don't want to have to email you, I guess this will be a public response.

First. This thread is a merge of 3 other threads that all dealt directly with the immigration bill before the Senate. So I merged them. No real need to have umpteen threads on the same topic. If you will notice, your post is the first on in this merged thread.

Next. You've been playing around with your sigline. When you started another immigration thread ("Suckers......."), you had at that time a sigline that pointed to a graphic that was at best, provocative. At worst, obscene. I removed the thread. You have since changed your sigline to something more appropriate, but your removed post adds nothing to the debate, it remains removed. A little note here: If I had remembered you to be the the thread starter in this thread when I removed the one post, your current post (#1 in this thread) would have gone bye-bye also.

Next. If you don't want this "dirty laundry" to be aired, activate your PM. 'Cause if I have to email you to get your attention, then it will be to announce to you that your privileges at TFL have been revoked.

Finally. Don't like the way I do things or the way this has been handled, either talk to Marko Kloos (our staff lead) or find another forum better to your liking. This isn't a numbers game. We are here to encourage and highlight responsible gun ownership, not to cater to egos.
 
Here is what one of my reps wrote and was printed in the local paper. Looks like he has a good understanding of the problem.

VIEWPOINT: Immigration bill poises to do what failed in past

By Byron Dorgan,

Few issues cause more passion than the subject of immigration, and the U.S. Senate is right in the middle of debating this issue.

Unfortunately, the proposal the Senate is considering was cooked up by a small group of senators negotiating with the White House. It's being sold as a “great compromise.” But it is not that at all.

I don't support this immigration bill. I'll explain why.

The first responsibility we have is to provide real border security so we don't have massive illegal immigration coming across our borders. With 12 million people who have entered our country illegally, it's clear we're not yet doing that.

This bill's solution is to give the 12 million people who came here illegally - up through Dec. 31 of last year - legal status and a work card. In addition, it provides for a temporary worker program that will bring in additional millions of guest workers who don't now live in this country but who will be permitted to come here and assume American jobs.

I oppose this bill. It will flood the U.S. job market with millions of workers who will compete, at low wages, for jobs Americans are doing. I believe it will drive down American wages and living standards.

Simply put, this bill fails to stand up for hard-working American citizens.

America is a great country. Many people from throughout the world would like to come here and take part in the American Dream. I understand that.

But if we had no restrictions on immigration and just threw open the doors and welcomed everyone from everywhere, we'd be overrun by people wanting to move to the U.S.

So, we try to manage immigration through quotas. Nearly 1.5 million people come to our country legally every year through this process. In addition, another million-plus come here each year to work legally at agricultural jobs.

Now, I'm sensitive to the fact that some immigrants who have come here illegally have worked hard for decades and even raised their families here. We need to take that into account as we try to resolve their status.

But I don't think we should decide that anybody who showed up here illegally as of last Dec. 31 should be given a green light to stay here and work here permanently.

Our laws need to be enforced, both at the border and at the workplace. Just as someone sneaking across the border illegally should be punished, so, too, should employers who break the law and hire illegal immigrants for low wages.

Once we've secured the border and taken away the market for illegal labor, then will be the time to consider the best way to address the status of illegal immigrants in our country.

When my amendment to remove the guest worker provision in the bill was debated earlier this week, the supporters of this legislation argued that we need the guest worker provision because “otherwise, people will just come across illegally.”

I replied, “I thought you told us your bill would fix the border security problem. But you're now telling us you won't have enough border security to stop illegal immigration!” That doesn't add up to me.

Twenty years ago, Congress passed an immigration reform bill providing amnesty for illegal immigrants already in the country. That legislation promised to tighten up border security. But nothing changed. Illegal immigration continued. Now, we are presented with new legislation that makes the same promises and provides the same amnesty.

In my view, this legislation simply accommodates the big business interests that have demonstrated their eagerness to ship American jobs overseas in search of cheap labor even while they want to bring cheap labor into this country through the back door.

I don't buy that strategy, and I don't buy this immigration bill.

Proposing to do what has failed in the past is no solution at all. Let's enforce the laws - provide real border security, stand up for decent wages for American jobs.

When we've done that, then it will be time to resolve the status of the 12 million people who have come here without legal authorization.

Dorgan, a Democrat, represents North Dakota in the U.S. Senate.

Grand Forks Herald
 
Ladies and Gentlemen. Before we go much further, might I call to your attention that this isn't a new problem?

If the Congress was interested in fixing this border problem, don't ya think it could have been done long ago? That if they had wanted, would have been done long ago?

So let's settle this question now. The Congress, both the Senate and House, is not interested in the least of stemming the flow of aliens coming across our borders unlawfully.

As a matter of National Security, most especially post 9/11, securing the borders should have been part of priority #1. It's not. From the President on down to the least of his Cabinet, there has been no real push to secure the borders against hostile forces.

If the Chief Executive can order every aircraft throughout the U.S. grounded, by force of military action against any aircraft caught in the sky... How hard would it have been to enforce border security?

Yes, all official border crossings were closed. Yet the fact is that the borders actually remained porous.

Meanwhile, something over 80% of communications coming into the White House and the Congress, as regards this "new" immigration bill, are negative in nature. No one outside of the beltway wants this albatross hung around our necks. Yet, the Congress, in collusion with the White House, are going to pass this thing. And nothing in this bill will actually close the borders. I know. I've just finished reading the whole 792 pages of the bill.

Now you can all argue whatever the hell you want about this bill. But until you actually read it and the amendments that have been passed so far, you have no room for intelligent opinion.

The bill will not secure the borders. The bill will not penalize employers for employing illegal aliens. The bill will not stop anchor babies or chaining families.

This bill is an undisguised amnesty bill. The only disguise is in what those who favor the bill are saying about it.

Here we are, coming up on 6 years post 9/11 and we are still having the same arguments we had in 1986. It didn't work then. What makes anyone think it will work now?
 
The bill will not secure the borders. The bill will not penalize employers for employing illegal aliens. The bill will not stop anchor babies or chaining families.

Considering the decision to BLOCK a Texas town's democratically voted-on legislation to penalize people for hiring or renting to illegals, I'd say you're correct.

I think that little bit there was the watershed event in showing that the will of We the People no longer matters. The people wanted. The people voted. They were blocked, with a NO from on high.

So be it.

(Oh, yes, and the latest argument being used is an automatic Godwin, saying that INS raids on factories and neighbohoods is Just Like the Holocaust...that Mexican illegals = Jews.)
 
If the Chief Executive can order every aircraft throughout the U.S. grounded, by force of military action against any aircraft caught in the sky... How hard would it have been to enforce border security?

Absolutely totally correct. All this silly talk of the Posse Comitatus Act and the President can't act has always been a lot of bull. Bush has not secured the border because he did not want to do so. He has all of the authority at his finger tips. In fact, the executive is the only branch that can act with just one persons vote...the President Of the United States. I am a (use to be) Republican and I wish Harry Truman was still in office. Well you live and learn!

Like many here I served in the military. It hurts to see our troops die defending the Iraq border rather than our own border. I don't know how Bush sleeps at night. He (Bush) has severely damaged this Country. The sooner he is gone the better!
 
Betcha, Real Gun, then they could help the Reconquistas finish the job they started.
~wink~

Biker

I liked this image, myself...

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If you don't like this bill, you don't want to do what's right for America

Damn it, I LOVE the logic and reasoning in this, please give us more whenever possible:rolleyes:
 
Absolutely! Here's the entire story.

Surely the President used logic and reason when he made that statement. He's infallible, right?



(note: sorry for chumming the waters in that naked statement in my previous post... I was curious as to what kind of response it would get.. nothing personal)
 
If you don't like this bill, you don't want to do what's right for America.

I like that too. Where do you people get this stuff?

How about, if you want to secure our borders, arrest employers for hiring illegals, outlaw sanctuary cities, and return illegals to their originating country...then you don't want to do what's right for America. Makes left hand sense to me.;)
 
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