I'm SO SICK of this illegal alien situation!

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Free medical care!
Free tuition!
Drivers licences?
Now credit cards!?!?!
What in Heaven's name has happened in this country?
How did enforcing immigration laws AND protecting our borders ever become subjects for discussion?
It seems like EVERYONE in both local AND national gov. is enabling illegals and dragging their feet on the border.
What has happened?!?!?!?
HOW did this happen?!?!?!?
I just don't get it man!!:confused:
 
Sick of it?

Cool. Here's what you do:

Don't patronize any business that hires illegal workers.

That rules out every construction and landscaping company in the Southwest, as well as Tyson chicken, most packaged meats, every fast food company, and Wal-Mart.

Don't eat crops grown using illegal labor. That would be just about everything, but with some research, maybe you could find something to eat.

You won't be staying in too many hotels, either.

Mow your own lawn, watch your own kids, and clean your own house. If you're paying someone to do these things for you, odds are they're here illegally.

If there are no jobs, they won't come here. If hiring them cost businesses more than they're saving in wages, they wouldn't do it.

As to the credit card thing, hey... If BofA wants to give unsecured loans to people they can't even identify, I don't care. They're allowed to lose as much money as they want. Ain't capitalism great? If I were a shareholder, I might be worried, but their losses won't affect me in the least, as I do no business with them whatsoever.

--Shannon
 
I hear ya brother!
That rules out every construction and landscaping company in the Southwest, as well as Tyson chicken, most packaged meats, every fast food company, and Wal-Mart.
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Are they still ACTIVELY employing illegals?
I do my best not to patronize those companies I KNOW use illegals.
But I don't investigate everyone.
Mow your own lawn, watch your own kids, and clean your own house.
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We do all this ourselves, but I made my roofer put a clause in the contract that every worker was legal and insured.
He could've lied, but he knew I was serious and I doubt he wanted to lose a $17000 job.
I just stopped using Chevron (as of last night) because their signage at my local station in Coral Springs, Fl (which is by no means an Hispanic area) is written in bold Spanish with little English translations below.
I wrote an e-mail to them regarding it this morning.
I'm doing what I can, in small ways, when I encounter it.
I'm just sickened by the government complicity in this.
And it's not just a matter of a few grape pickers either.
It's national security AND our culture stands to suffer.
It sickens me!:mad:
 
Why would you boycott a biz becasue they try to accomdate Spanish speakers?
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Simple, English is the official language. I don't expect signs in English when I'm in another country. I also try to learn enough of the language to at least take care of my basic needs if I'm going to be there for a while. If I were going to move permanantly to a foreign country I would learn the language and not expect them to accommodate my lack of learning the language they use to conduct business.
 
I'm trying to recall which book it was written by James Michener (?Caribbean?) where he writes about the peoples living in the US in the future. FLA will be Caribbean in nature; the SW, Mexican; the Pacific West, Asian; due to the proximity of those cultures being on the cusp of our border. It made sense when I read it.

Either this nation is a melting pot, and we all get along and share similar ideals, or it's... what? You and I know that socialism is here to stay, like it or not. To what degree I can't say, but it appears that through our government's actions or inactions, we are our brother's keepers and those who have the $ and pay the taxes will see their funds spent willy nilly, business as usual, supporting those who chose not to.

The wall in Berlin didn't last too terribly long, and tho' it was built for a different reason, those cultures eventually reunited into the homogenous nation that Bismarck pulled together. The Great Wall of China, while impressive, eventually had zero impact on keeping the hordes of outsiders, outside.

All you can really do is petition the government for a redress of your grievances... not that it'll make any actual change... progress isn't always pretty or what we want. It is inexecrably inevitable tho'. Or so it would seem.
 
Good on ya

For investigating, to the extent that you can, the companies you do business with, and for putting your money where your mouth is. Far too few do so. I see this all the time here in San Diego, where the rich white suburbanites are all up in arms about illegal immigration, while having their yards done by illegal gardeners, leaving their kids with illegal nannies, and having their floors cleaned by illegal housekeepers. But that's different, of course. :barf:

As to the "cultural" issues, I wouldn't sweat those so much. It's not going to be an issue for long. Rates of English acquisition aren't much different for Latin American immigrants than for any other group we've had come in the past. Direct immigrants speak mostly their native tongue and tend to live in ethnic communities. Their kids are bilingual, and their grandkids are native English speakers. Social class levels tend to follow the same patterns. You see this clearly in the Southwest, where Mexican immigration goes back a long, long way. It's even true where the original immigrants came in illegally.

Time, and not much else, will solve those problems. It's not a process that can be hurried, but it's also not one that can be stopped. It just happens. And frankly, seeing a Spanish sign or having to press "1" for English doesn't bother me at all. They could print their signs in Mandarin for all I care... If I can't read the sign, I'm unlikely to shop there, but that's just me. When they break the law by hiring illegal workers, undercutting wages for working Americans, then I've got a problem.

Well, I don't much like the automated phone systems, but it's got nothing to do with the existence of a Spanish menu. It's much more to do with their universal, total, perverse uselessness. I just press "0" and hope for the best.

--Shannon
 
Why would you boycott a biz becasue they try to accomdate Spanish speakers?
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You've got me wrong if you think that's why I was/am so bothered by it.
It's NOT that they are trying to appeal to Hispanic patrons.
It's that the dominant language was Spanish.
And the English was barely visable below each Spanish paragraph.
As a native born, English speaking citizen in an English speaking country in a mixed , but mostly white, neighborhood, NOT an hispanic neighborhood, I resent having to look REALLY close to a sign in a local gas station in order to find the English words to tell me what the sign is saying.
I wouldn't have issue if the English words were the dominant ones, but they weren't.
And in predominantly Latino enclaves, I EXPECT signs in Spanish.
I'm even going to go so far as to check with the city code enforcement to find out what, if any, the laws is regarding signage.
But, regardless of the fact that there are probably dozens of different languages spoken in America by every conceivable ethnic group, ENGLISH is the accepted norm.
Wanna be American AND assimilate, LEARN ENGLISH.
 
Really? What law is that?
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Did I say it was law? In reality there is no "official" language set by law. So I guess you're right. Let them have their signs, don't bother learning the language which is spoken by the majority. While we're at it let's hand out free health care, and kiss their rear end some more....................oh wait we already have. If my wife and daughter could take the time learn English. I've got I've got no sympathy for others who don't try.

BTW: Phoenix AZ failed my daughter in the 3rd grade because of her poor English capability and they wouldn't let her have text books in Greek, but she could have them in Spanish if she wanted. What a crock of BS, if you're going to make special privileges for spanish why not every other language. Did other immigrants not make enough of a contribution? It's ok it worked out for the best. She worked hard at learning English and is now a bank manager that doesn't speak spanish.
 
DonR,
My hat's off to you AND your family!:)
ANYONE that has the least bit of respect for their new country and TRULY wants to become a part of, and prosper in, that country would take the time to AT LEAST learn the laguage.
The utter GALL of some elements of our society that question the validity of English as our nations accepted language is reprehensible!
Imagine, there are places in the USA that have had to actually vote to make English the OFFICIAL language.
If you don't want to assimilate and become a part of this great nation, go the heck back to whatever crap hole you came from.
Being in America ISN'T A RIGHT!
It's a privilege!
I guess some folks don't look at it that way!:mad:
 
If my wife and daughter could take the time learn English. I've got I've got no sympathy for others who don't try.
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Well I have no sympathy for those who dont wish to assimilate but the fact remains that no matter what, some immigrants will never be able to speak the dominat languge. My great grandma never could. My wife is Japanese, speaks English well, is in college and yet she still prefers to read some things in her native tongue.

What I object to is the underlying vituperation here.....

If you don't want to assimilate and become a part of this great nation, go the heck back to whatever crap hole you came from.
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See above comment on vituperation. Crap Hole. :barf: What an wonderful image for gun owners.

WildtoomuchxenophobiaAlaska
 
Well I have no sympathy for those who dont wish to assimilate but the fact remains that no matter what, some immigrants will never be able to speak the dominat languge. My great grandma never could. My wife is Japanese, speaks English well, is in college and yet she still prefers to read some things in her native tongue.

What I object to is the underlying vituperation here.....
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I agree with you on that WA. I would also lay money your grandmother didn't expect/demand her new found country to convert to her native tongue to make it easier on her. My wife prefers to listen to Greek music and read Greek books and as it appears with your wife also, she had enough self pride and determination to assimilate.
Don't take my comments the wrong way. They have nothing to do with not wanting immigrants here. I just want them to assimilate and not expect us (native born) to change in order for them.
 
I see two concerns, the first is undocumented persons. If an employer hires an undocumented person, they should be subject to large fines and mandatory time served. We are chasing the wrong dog. "Follow the money" is what I've learned. If the undocumented worker can't find a job they won't come here. If you hire an undocumented person, be prepared to serve hard time.

The second concern (if it is one) is language. Only 82% of legal US citizens speak English. English is NOT the official language. The US recognizes more than 300 languages. The most spoken language (in the World) is Mandarin, number two is Spanish and number three is English.

On the island of Ni'ihau they speak Hawiian (a language I speak), in Puerto Rico, spanish is used. The Amish use a varient of German. On the North West coast Russian is heard. In Arizona, Navajo is the exclusive language among many Elders. French is another example. Many US citizens speak only French.

Mi dos centavos
 
The second concern (if it is one) is language. Only 82% of legal US citizens speak English. English is NOT the official language. The US recognizes more than 300 languages. The most spoken language (in the World) is Mandarin, number two is Spanish and number three is English.
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So we should have signs in 300 languages because 18% of the legal population can't read English? The exit sign will look like a bill board.
 
Well I have no sympathy for those who dont wish to assimilate
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I was beginning to wonder!:rolleyes:
the fact remains that no matter what, some immigrants will never be able to speak the dominat languge
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I'm not referring to those who are UNABLE to learn it, just those that won't.
My wife is Japanese, speaks English well, is in college and yet she still prefers to read some things in her native tongue.
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That's great, but irrelevant.
My wife is Colombian /Dominican/Hawian.
She speaks Spanish to our 2 yr old all the time so he will be bi-lingual.
No problem.
Her parents don't speak a lick of English.
They have also remained very poor and uneducated.
The second concern (if it is one) is language. Only 82% of legal US citizens speak English. English is NOT the official language. The US recognizes more than 300 languages. The most spoken language (in the World) is Mandarin, number two is Spanish and number three is English.

On the island of Ni'ihau they speak Hawiian (a language I speak), in Puerto Rico, spanish is used. The Amish use a varient of German. On the North West coast Russian is heard. In Arizona, Navajo is the exclusive language among many Elders. French is another example. Many US citizens speak only French.
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Interesting but again, irrelevant to the initial jist of my thread.
No matter how many languages are spoken here, English has ALWAYS been the unifying language of the United States.
Sure there are pocket communities that speak their native tongue, but when they leave those communities and go out into mainstream America, English is the language they will NEED to know.
They should NOT expect the USA to change itself to accommadate them.
The massive immigration of the last century saw people from every corner of the globe come here to become American, and speaking English was, is and should continue to be the quickest route to assimilation and success.

Is there anyone that thinks Englsh should NOT be the dominant language in the USA?
If so, what kind of America do you envision, with everybody "demanding" that THEIR language be spoken?
That's not any America I want part of.
 
So we should have signs in 300 languages because 18% of the legal population can't read English? The exit sign will look like a bill board.
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Don't forget about the blind! We need more exit signs in Braille! :D
 
We've obliously got to do something. The "elected officials" are doing everything possible to facilitate a no borders policy. Boycotts are one way, electing someone that cares about us (American citizens), instead of global corporations, is another and demanding legislation to stop gov. benefits for illegals, is another.

I've always wondered who did "the jobs that Americans just won't do" before all the illegals came pouring in.

badbob
 
I would also lay money your grandmother didn't expect/demand her new found country to convert to her native tongue to make it easier on her
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No actually, she had no need, she had newspapers and shop signs and books in her native languages (she spoke Yiddish, Russian, Ukrainian, German, Hebrew and Polish as I recall)

My point is that all of us are here to be Americans. We should be comfortable and proud of it and respect our neighbors...if Spanish signs makie my neighbors life easier...OK for me.

Besides, I can read simple spanish :)

WildsogeteducatedAlaska
 
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