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...it was nothing more than a "playground" fight. It should have stopped there.
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Sorry, but this is the kind of infuriating attitude I was talking about in my earlier post.

It was ASSAULT AND BATTERY, which is a VIOLENT CRIME in EVERY STATE!!!! "It" should not "stop" until the assailant is tried and convicted and sentenced, DAMN IT!!!
 
If I can ... I gonna sue the $#!t outta somebody.
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I was with you until that line. Part of the same problems you speak of is because everybody is so damn sue happy these days.

I understand it is your little girl and you have a lot of emotion involved, but if you really want things to be "how they used to" where this type of stuff didn't happen, you need to be above trying to sue somebody over this.

Do what they did in the old days, find whoever was responsible for her being taken away, give them a piece of your mind and demand they fix it in some way. Do what you need to do in order to legally remove anything from her record, but I would stop it there.

Don't take this the wrong way, I think you're 100% right to be pissed about this, I just think you can react in a much more professional way.
 
THe more PC this nation becomes the more you are criminalized for defending yourself. When I was in middle school I got in a regular old fight and I was arrested for defending myself. I asked the cop, what do you want from me, just curl up in a ball and get beaten to pulp? All I did was fight back when I was cornered and hit in the face. They said I should know better than to be in that position.

Since then, I have been practicing Tae Kwon DO on a regular basis and now am a brown belt, soon to be balck. I figure, if I do get arrested again for protecting myself, I am going to make it worth it and win in a big way. :mad:

I teach Tae Kwon Do and self defense classes at a school right now. THe law is you have to be in imediate danger of your well-being and have no other course of action. So many time I have seen the wrong person be arrested and I do whatever I can to let the defendent know that it is ok to protect yourself. Even in pussy France you can defend yourself.



PS, Petre,
Get a lawyer, I am not a big fan of them, but in your case it is going to get your daughter free of all charges.
 
Don't take this the wrong way, I think you're 100% right to be pissed about this, I just think you can react in a much more professional way.
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Be glad he's not me. I've read & memorized pages of the works of the great George Hayduke:D .

To Petre: If sueing doesn't work, do a google search on George Hayduke & see if you can get a few of his books. I'm not suggesting that you do anything from them, just read them & draw your own conclusions.
 
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...it was nothing more than a "playground" fight. It should have stopped there.
Sorry, but this is the kind of infuriating attitude I was talking about in my earlier post.
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It was ASSAULT AND BATTERY, which is a VIOLENT CRIME in EVERY STATE!!!! "It" should not "stop" until the assailant is tried and convicted and sentenced, DAMN IT!!!
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I agree that this was handled wrong, but give me a break. Two kids fighting at school is a playground fight. Let me guess you want to prosecute every kid who has ever been in or in the future will ever get into a fight at school. That's what kids do. All of this "Sue the crap" out of everyone garbage is part of what's wrong with the values in this country today. I've kicked tail and had my tail kicked while in school but never felt the need to sue someone over it. What's next we prosecute for name calling and teasing? Or maybe we should just sue the kids parents because Jonny said Tommy was fat and hurt his feelings. I guess I was raised different. You talked things out like a man, came to an understanding and that was the end of it. You went to a lawyer when you couldn't come to an understanding then the lawyers came to an understanding for you, if they failed you went to court. If I had told my dad we should get a lawyer because I got my butt kicked at school he would have laughed then taken me to the kids house and it would have gotten worked out.
 
When I said Sue ... it was out of anger that day.

I am not the type to want to sue anyone. But I would threaten it to change stupidity.

I'm not sure what course I'll take with the school board yet ... all I know is I'm going to do something and it will probably involve the help of a lawyer , if only to make a credible threat .
 
Petre,
Sue. Call reporters from the local paper even the "driveway gazettes". Sue everyone.
Had this problem when my daughter was told she would be suspended for bringing a plastic picnic knife to school to cut the brownies she baked for her class on her birthday. COC prevents elaboration, but the vice-principal chose to rethink the issue and decided that "zero tolerance" did not apply and the issue went away.
Do what you have to do.
 
There is nothing wrong with playground fights. I wasn't there, but it sounds like Petre's daughter was assulted and defended herself, that is different and she did the right thing. Sometimes kids fight, it is part of growing up and if you take it, you are going to grow up a pussy and get walked all over your whole life and then you teach your kids to be pussies and they have a rotten childhood because they are an easy target, that is life. Violence sucks, but it is part of life and you have to be prepared to fight back and not be an easy target. To the guy who wined and cried about playground fights, go to Russia for a little while and then talk to me. Petre's daughter did the right thing defending herself, so later on in life she will not be an easy target and will stand up for herself. You have to instill that in them while they are young, so they have dignity and confidence and later on in life, they will know what to do rather than curling up in a ball and having their wallets taken.:cool:


If you sue, then you are showing your daughter that when things get tough you call in the courts and hide behind the same law that arrested hert for no reason. Go to the other girls house and talk to the parents like my dad did when he was in your position. You may be able to be the better man and get that girl to appologize and difuse the situation before it drawn out into a big mess.
 
It seems like the standard police response to any fight-related incident these days is to haul everyone in and sort out the details later.

This may be harder for kids to understand than adults as they have probably been told that cops only arrest "bad guys" at some point.

Get a lawyer. Good luck with this, you'll need some luck to arrive at any satisfactory outcome.
 
Go to the other girls house and talk to the parents like my dad did when he was in your position. You may be able to be the better man and get that girl to appologize and difuse the situation before it drawn out into a big mess.
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Or he may get upset that you are pinning this on his little angel. Most parents consider their kids to be a reflection on them as parents so telling a man his daughter is a trouble maker might upset him. He might even turn violent. I don't know if Petre CCW's so sending him over to the BG's parents might be a bad move. Just my 0.02 & possibly worth less than that.
 
don't know if Petre CCW's so sending him over to the BG's parents might be a bad move.
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Good lord, son, are there any problems you can solve without a gun in your pocket???? How paranoid is that?


This forum is really going from bad to worse. Embarrassing. Really it is.
Rich
 
When I was a kid issues were settled amongst the participants. Seldom was school admin called into the fray. Police certainly weren't involved. In today's world LE is involved and a playground ruckus results in a criminal record on the part of someone who should not have been booked. She is now in the position of have to explain why she has a record when it was not deserved. It will follow her creating problems from here on out. Lawyers are entirely justified. Legal action is perfectly justifiable. What is not acceptable is "live and let live." Accounts must be leveled and if it takes a lawyer and sternly worded memos, so be it. This crap continues to be a problem because no one is willing to push back.
 
Rich,
I think he meant if Petre carries and he goes over to the guy's house and the guy sees the gun or knows about it he could say Petre threatened him and make matters worse. ;)
 
I'll drag it down one more level Rich. Can we start a thread about how to sue zombies:D

Sorry but I had to do it. This one is making me nauseous with all the lawyer talk. I finally agree a cop did the wrong thing and I'm wrong:confused:

I'm out peace, love and lawsuits:p
 
Rich, calm down. Don't have a coronary over a little misunderstanding.:)

Here's what I meant in plain english. About 30 years ago, my dad used to work as a meat cutter in Kernersville. They had a lot of crime in that area. A lot of old people would cash their social security check in the store so young punks would wait for the elderly folks to come out, they'd bash them on the head & take their money. One day my dad saw a kid stuff a steak under his coat & walk away. He followed him out to the parking lot where the boy's parents picked him up. Pop told the boy's father that the young man in question had something under his coat that didn't belong to him. The boy's father got all bent out of shape & threatened to "cut him up" for calling his son a thief even though the matter could have simply been settled by looking under his son's jacket. The boy's father eventually did ask his son to unzip his coat to see if he did steal the steak. The steak was returned & they left without anyone getting hurt. The boy's father may have just been bluffing since my dad didn't see a knife but you never know who's bluffing or not.

Now my dad was unarmed but he worked out a lot & was built like a tank so that may have contributed to the fact that the thief's dad chilled out. I don't know how Petre is built so I made a simple suggestion that confronting the kid's dad may not be the wisest course of action. It's his decision though.

As to whether or not I can solve anything without a gun, the answer is yes. I'm about to figure out whether or not I want pizza or chinese for dinner:D . I think I'll go with the pizza. Bye!
 
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What is that? A profound life lesson? An experience that should teach us something about something? A warning regarding morons' abilities to make threats, which some of us have never considered? Just what IS that? (Don't answer. The question was rhetorical.)

I am just so tired of hearing about "your Dad". I'm certain he was a great guy, but this is not Group T. I know you were a real tough kid; we all do. I know your Dad was built like Atlas; we all do. I know that your experience as an 8 year old holds great lessons for our experiences at 20, 30, 40 and 50 during an armed holdup; we all do. But this is not the time and place.

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OK?
OK?

Thread closed. Petre may thank V4 for that.

God, what ever happened to TheFiringLine.com?
Rich
 
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