Illinois gun ban/confiscation

Some politicians get a lot of donations from anti-gun groups. They have to appear to be doing something, for those donors. The sponsors of that bill knew it was going no where and if by some miracle it did go through, the courts would likely strike it down.

Just hang tough Illinois brothers, the clock is ticking, you'll be legally carrying concealed before you know it. Without having to bargain, with people who have nothing to bargain with.
 
FOID has been law since at least 1968, and in many ways it is a good requirement. What irritates me is when criminals who haven't an FOID are not held accountable specifically for this violation of law.
 
I don't know many people are here in IL, but the fight is far from over.

ftp://12.43.67.2/legislation/97/SB/09700SB2899ham001.htm

That's the newest piece of legislation. They lost in the Senate, so now they are moving to the House. That amendment contains what the two previous bills did, almost word for word.

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=32929

We seriously need to light up the phone lines now.

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=32913&st=0

If you guys need numbers or other information, let me know. Send e-mails, but more importantly make phone calls and fill up their voicemails. We seriously can't let up on this or they will take everything away. If you think this doesn't concern you, you're wrong. I have no doubt in my mind that Illinois is being used as a guinnea pig for what the US Congress will be trying to do.
 
FOID has been law since at least 1968, and in many ways it is a good requirement. What irritates me is when criminals who haven't an FOID are not held accountable specifically for this violation of law.
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And how is this different from the glaring lack of prosecutions nationwide, of prohibited persons filling out 4473's? Though they are refused the sale...... why are they not prosecuted?

Further proof to me that the law is there to discourage gun ownership and to make criminals of the law abiding .... why would they charge a criminal with further crimes? They already have them under their thumb ......
 
Phone calls expressing opposition to "assault weapons" bans can be directed to the guys pulling the strings in Illinois:

Mayor Emanuel: (312) 744-3300
Gov. Quinn: S'field: (217) 782-0244, Chicago: (312) 814-2121
Speaker of the House Madigan: Springfield: (217) 782-5350, Chicago:(773) 581-8000

I know it won't change minds, but it sure gave me a nice warm feeling to let them know not everyone shares their opinion.
 
Don't forget guys, this is the time to also call your specific state representatives (for the Illinois state house and the US house) to tell them how you feel about this. The more people we can get, the better. It made a big difference last time and I know it's ammo that the NRA and other groups representing us will definitely need.
 
FOID has been law since at least 1968, and in many ways it is a good requirement. What irritates me is when criminals who haven't an FOID are not held accountable specifically for this violation of law.
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Frankly I see it as a good thing that people aren't being prosecuted for violation of the FOID law. It's an unconstitutional law that shouldn't exist in the first place, much less have people prosecuted for that nonsense.
 
If anyone from IL is interested go to IllinoisCarry website and then to the forums - then go into the Illinois Politics forum - there you will find information about the bills and contact information as well as links to filing witness slips to oppose the bills - There are 3 bills

The primary bill is : SB2899


Secondary are two bills that would broaden mental health restrictions to include not only individuals hospitalized but also individuals who visit an outpatient mental health clinic regardless of the reason. Don't see a counselor for family problems or depression or you would lose your rkba under these bills -

HB1237

SB3489

According to the NRA lobbiest on the ground who has worked there for years the issue is in doubt - so phone calls, emails, witness slips are needed.
 
HB2899 is shot down - and pulled from consideration - this was a so called Assault Weapons ban that included by estimates 70 percent of pistols and half of all rifles in Illinois - along with taxes and registration of guns and gun owners.
 
Yes that was shortest committee meeting that I have ever seen!

The other bills 1237 and 3489 were taken off the table as well. They were FOID related with langue that was not good for gun owners. There has been an agreement from both sides that benefits both sides that will be introduced in the spring.

A great day for IL gun owners!:cool:
 
Does the US code title 18 chapter 13 sec 242 have any bearing on these laws? I have been told that it would be illegal but I am not constitutional lawyer.
If not, why not?

-STATUTE-
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation,
or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory,
Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any
rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the
Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different
punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being
an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed
for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury
results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if
such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a
dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this
title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death
results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if
such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated
sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or
an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned
for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to
death.
 
Nickel Plated wrote:
…..FOID law. It's an unconstitutional law that shouldn't exist in the first place…..
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Curious here, how is it that the FOID is unconstitutional? If it was, the SAF, GOA, or NRA would surely have had it corrected by now, it’s been a law for something like 45 years, plenty of time to correct.

As I understand it, the purpose of the FOID is to assure that the firearm owner is not a felon, and has not been convicted of domestic battery, even misdemeanor domestic battery. Personally, I have no problem with felons or wife beaters being denied firearm ownership.

Possession of a FOID also helps ammo sellers. They know, or at least can be reasonably assured, that the buyer is not a felon or a wife beater.

I’m a fence sitter on the FOID. It has it’s bad points, it has it’s good points. But it in no way affects my ability to own or use any firearm I have in my collection, or even any firearm I’d want in my collection.

So seriously, please explain why it’s unconstitutional. Thanks.
 
Regardless of NFA '34, I don't see where having to get a state issued card for something listed in the BOR is Constitutional.

That goes for assembly permits and the like as well, it's a slippery slope.
 
FOID Unconstitutional

I'll take a stab at that one.

The 2nd Amendment clearly states a citizen's RIGHT to bear arms shall not be infringed.
There is (an albeit small) fee of $10 to obtain an IL FOID. Without the FOID, you are prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms and ammunition.
Since when should we have to pay a tax, surcharge, or fee, to access a constitutionally granted RIGHT? Not a privilege, such as a driver's license, but a right.

Second, any purchaser of arms in Illinois, like any other state, already has to pass the NICS background check. So, not only is the FOID redundant, it amounts to a tax on a constitutionally guaranteed right.
 
Curious here, how is it that the FOID is unconstitutional? If it was, the SAF, GOA, or NRA would surely have had it corrected by now, it’s been a law for something like 45 years, plenty of time to correct.
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It hasn't been attacked because we haven't been a position to do so until very recently. Right now, the groundwork is being laid, and we may yet see a challenge.
 
Second, any purchaser of arms in Illinois, like any other state, already has to pass the NICS background check.
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Private sales don't require a background check... I am not for FOID but I do think background checks are a good thing.
 
One important part of the FOID requirement is that those citizen who are legally deemed unfit to possess a weapon or ammunition are denied the FOID card. This makes it easy for a merchant to tell if the customer meets state law to possess a firearm or ammo. What bothers me is when being friends with the local police/sheriff/law authority keeps a wife beater (or some other criminal) from being arrested and therefore losing his FOID card. I have a relative through marriage, who for over thirty years has been in this situation - now and then being beaten by her husband - she's even had to go to the hospital, but the local sheriff closes his eye to what has happened. It is as if the law doesn't exist. Yet if someone would go teach him some manners, he/she would be arrested first thing.
Yes, it is a constitutional right to keep and bear arms, but as of the 21st century, a variety of citizens have forfeited that right; hence, the need to sort out those who are legally entitled to own a weapon/ammo and those who aren't. As for the wife beater, he has no right to firearms/ammo as far as I am concerned. What he needs is a strait jacket - cinched up tight.
 
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