Illinois gun ban/confiscation

Ban them all , go house to house taking them . 80% of America would say NO , gun owners or not .
While the implementation of actual confiscation would run afoul of the 4th and 5th Amendments in almost any conceivable circumstance, they don't have to go that far.

Simply outlaw the things, then hand out stiff sentences to those who are caught with them. That one would fly with a large part of the populace.
 
This is all part and parcel to my, they are lashing out in desperation theory. All the court battles have been going against the antis. Illinois was their last CCW free bastion, now the court has ended that. They are trying anything hoping we'll concede some more ground. In reality though all we have to do is set tight and more pro gun rights are on the way, not less.

Don't give in Illinois gun owners. Surely to goodness if you could come three votes from passing CCW, you could hold off these extremists for six months. Then, if your CCW law isn't passed, victory is yours. The Chicago crowd has zero bargaining chips, zero. Don't give an inch to them.
 
Heres my thoughts on it. I do not like it one bit. So even if its just posturing or just crying wolf,they hope maybe one day that we will not care and these stupid laws will pass.

So is it really hard to voice your concern to your state reps and let them know that you will not stand for any such laws?

We have to stand together and fight this,weather its any state or federal gov, let them hear your voice.
 
You can find links to the bills now. One set is on TTAG, and I am sure Illinois gun rights groups have also posted it. The bill to ban weapons is a confusing maorass, primarily because it defines banned semiauto pistols in three different (and contradictory) ways, and shotguns in two. One definition bans all semiautos, another bans semi autos wih one evil feature like a collapsible of thumbhole stock (AR pistols) or a threaded barrel. The last seems to suggest that the law would only effet pistols capable of accepting magazines of greater than 10 rounds capacity.

Both the gun ban and the mag ban contain the same range limitation law, a law that require anyone using a range to have an FOID (even if just learning to shoot) and the range owner to be a FFL.

These bills were filed today (the first day of the end of the current session), sent to committee, voted out of committee withut discussion on a 6-3 vote, and are expected to be submitted on the floor tomorrow, ramrodding the whole thing through. Obviously Quinn will sign anything put in front of him. It is just as obvious that this bill will not pass judicial scrutiny under any elevated standard of review, since it's only rationale is that its preamble claims that these are permissable restictions within the ambit of Heller.
 
Todd our NRA lobbyists says that it has a slim chance at passing (Needs a 3/5 vote) and not to worry?

I sure hope he is right!

The committee was stacked with Chicago anti gunners which reflected the 6-3 vote as did the same 6-4 vote on the hi-cap magazine ban.

It is such a shame that there are no educated people down state making the laws that we the people have to live by!:mad:

Just ordered 6 Gen 3 Pmags!
 
There are actually two bills. Here are links to the full text of both:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ful...d=HB&LegID=56601&DocNum=0815&GAID=11&Session=

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ful...d=HB&LegID=57242&DocNum=1263&GAID=11&Session=

The ban would not take effect until January 1, 2014 and would not apply to weapons purchased before that date.

Prohibited guns could be sold to an individual in another State, FFL holders, or passed on to relatives after death.

The bills establish some pretty draconian requirements for public gun ranges.

Both bills talk a lot about a "Firearm Owners Identification Card" not sure if that is something new or is a current requirement.

There is no requirement to turn in prohibited guns that were purchased before ban takes effect.
 
Watching the local news show last night here in Rockford, IL made me almost physically ill. The anchor was almost dancing with glee announcing this almost total gun ban being proposed by the President of the Illinois Senate. Even if it does not pass into law I wish I could sell my home and get out of this horrible state. In truth I sometimes wish I could get out of this country as well, but where would I go? I served in the U.S. Army for 24 years and have been a taxpayer for the last 48 years and this is not the country that it once was, and will likely never be again. If this draconian gun control bill actually becomes law it will be another nail in the coffin of America. I'm sure that Obama and his cronies in Washington are just jumping for joy at what is being proposed in Springfield since he clearly supports any bill that restricts or bans gun ownership. Watch as he tries to get the Senate during this coming year to ratify the anti-gun U.N. treaty that he has stated he admires.
 
Both bills talk a lot about a "Firearm Owners Identification Card" not sure if that is something new or is a current requirement.
FOID cards are use by several states including IL. They are "permission to purchase firearms" issued by the state, though you still have to go through an NICS when you do purchase.

Welcome to thefiringline ya fooker!
 
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Lemme get this straight.....

Chicago just got their hands spanked in McDaonald v. Chicago ..... so IL is doubling down? Really?
 
The antis introduce magazine/assault weapons ban bill every year in IL. None have ever come close to passing, so they decided to make the bill even more draconian. I guess it makes perfect sense, if you're a politician from Chicago.
 
I've often wondered about the practice of issuing a license or permit to own or carry a gun. The Right to keep and bear arms is a Right not a privilege. I don't know of any other Right guaranteed by the constitution that requires a license to exercise that Right.

It seems to me that requiring a license to own or carry a firearm is an infringement on the Right to keep and bear arms. The second amendment seems pretty clear to me, it is not ambiguous, it does not contain any type of exception, or requirement. It just says the Peoples right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Why is that so hard to understand?
 
The problem is and remains as I see it that places like Chicago seem to not care very much what any court said... They change some super minor thing and re-implement laws that are substantially the same as the ones that get killed by the courts...

They also play the "No One has Standing" game and spin things to the point that they actually try to sell that they are protectors of gun rights... Pathological liars tell more truth than some of these antis, everything they do concerning guns is in bad faith..

Its not that the city of Chicago doesn't know it is in violation of the Bill of Rights and our gun rights under it, its they simply don't care... Short of a enforced injunction, I don't think they will ever quit unless the SAF can sue the city budget out of existence..
 
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...and a State Senator could introduce a bill that would seek to force everyone to move to Mars, I doubt it would pass either though.
 
...and a State Senator could introduce a bill that would seek to force everyone to move to Mars, I doubt it would pass either though.

.....but in normal places, it'd never get out of committee.
 
Do you think the anti's in congress are asking IL to flaot this bill out there to get a feel of how the country feels on this ? They do that from time to time . They need to get an idea how far they can push this whole debate .
 
seems like they are trying to ram this thru before anything can be done. and the old ask for the moon and settle in the middle still stinks. I am pulling for you guys in ILL.
 
Dems pull plug on gun and ammo ban.

Gary beat you to it.

Please read the other posts before you post.
 
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