Illegal Aliens: This just keeps getting more and more militant by the day
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Me thinks 2rugers offers a valid observance. I once put a young Mexican illegal in jail for burglary of a habitat and he quaintly made the observance that Texas should still belong to Mexico. The only response I could give him was that he then would have had to walk all the way to Oklahoma to steal.
By the way a "Native" anything is someone who was born or has ancestral ties to someplace. Ergo, anyone born here is a NATIVE. Even Indians (including Aztecs, Incas and so on) "immigrated" here across a land bridge connecting Siberia and Alaska at one time. I suppose that would make the the Prarie Chicken the only true "Native" American. Anyway, to hell with Vicinte Fox and the rest of the corrupt SOB's. I don't buy anything huecho en Mexico anymore. I buy most of my goods made by prison labor from communist China like most everone else in this country. I reckon' there ain't no jobs the Chinese won't do, and for free. But I think I wax sarcastic.
By the way a "Native" anything is someone who was born or has ancestral ties to someplace. Ergo, anyone born here is a NATIVE. Even Indians (including Aztecs, Incas and so on) "immigrated" here across a land bridge connecting Siberia and Alaska at one time. I suppose that would make the the Prarie Chicken the only true "Native" American. Anyway, to hell with Vicinte Fox and the rest of the corrupt SOB's. I don't buy anything huecho en Mexico anymore. I buy most of my goods made by prison labor from communist China like most everone else in this country. I reckon' there ain't no jobs the Chinese won't do, and for free. But I think I wax sarcastic.
Im surprised nobody has mentioned we have colored threat levels for the first time and had a event such as 911, where the terrorists came in and used the same route as illegals.Blended in with illegals and carried out their plan while everybody was worried about cheaper labor and doing those socalled construction jobs regular Americans wont do.Sorry to say it but thats very weak.Folks in my state would do most anything,unemployment here is at 6-7%.
So we wont close the borders but its ok to keep a watchful eye on every citizen here.Where is the sense in that?I get it, its about big busness and money.I think the illegal issue is serious.Not only does it allow more of the same into this country but it also drains what resources we have left.In case nobody knows it, we arent exactly out of debt.
I understand them wanting to immigrate here to get a better life but employers are holding out the golden carrot to them while there are regular people that cant find work,cant afford healthcare and make barely enough to get by.
Its good for cheap labor but very bad for everyone else.
So we wont close the borders but its ok to keep a watchful eye on every citizen here.Where is the sense in that?I get it, its about big busness and money.I think the illegal issue is serious.Not only does it allow more of the same into this country but it also drains what resources we have left.In case nobody knows it, we arent exactly out of debt.
I understand them wanting to immigrate here to get a better life but employers are holding out the golden carrot to them while there are regular people that cant find work,cant afford healthcare and make barely enough to get by.
Its good for cheap labor but very bad for everyone else.
com'on, now your splitting hairs,
So, because I am 1% (possibly an exaggeration, but to make a point) German that mean's I am a German-American when the rest of my family is just about all SCOTCH Irish (it's pronounced several ways Scots or Scotch or Scottish. We in our family have always pronounced it as Scottish Irish or Scotch Irish). My own last name is English, but I probably have more of that in me than German.
As I noted British doesn't mean tea drinking victorian Englishman of southeastern Britain. It means the people of the British Isles which consist of Scottish, Welsh (they live in a country called Wales west of England), Irish and English. In fact, it would please my Scotch Irish ancestors to know, that it could accurately be said that British is FAR more Celtic than English. This is the basic cultural makeup of the U.S. as a whole. As a whole they don't do all that hypenated-American modern PC stuff. Because we have been here for so long, we have just come to call ourselves plain ol' American....or just plain ol' Southern. Someone asks me what I am, I just say "American by Birth and Southern by the Grace of God."
Even many of the pre 1840s Germans have come to call themselves American. anyway, back on topic:
JuanCarlos,
a couple of other people have stated it very plainly, we don't want to be "Mexicanized." Nothing personal against you, but I resent the notion that we should. I'm sure folk's south of the border wouldn't appreciate massive amounts of Americans coming into their cities and states Americanizing their culture and people.
Shannon,
In many cases, not only will American's NOT accept such wages....they legally CAN'T accept such wages. Because we are legally supposed to be paid a minimum wage (which has been increased multiple times over the years). Illegals will work for anything. 2 dollars is nothing here, but down in Mexico it could feed a wife and family. Part of the problem is getting rid of all these government intrusions in business forcing companies to cut their costs by either transfering production and employment overseas in third world countries or bringing third world labor here (primarily from Mexico)
Juan, the argument that all of us are criminals is specious. Following your example, all of us are liars, and everyone in the world is a criminal. It's such a simplistic line of thought that it gets what it deserves, and that's being ignored.
The United States is a sovereign country. Under international law, it's borders are to be respected by citizens of other countries. It's laws involving immigration are also to be respected. Why some people believe that this isn't true has little to do with right or wrong, but everything to do with ignoring any law that doesn't suit them.
Try to immigrate legally into Mexico. It is very difficult, and, as immigrants, you are forever discriminated against when attempting to gain employment, and forbidden to vie for public office.
Should we, then, following your logic about immigrants, try to force Mexico to institute the same policies that we have? Institute the same social programs that immigrants have access to?
If the Mexican government may so hypocritically call for unlimited access to us, doesn't our sovereignity matter? The Mexicans are quite jealous of theirs. It's not a two-way street. Just the usual hypocrisy. We owe no "people" or "country" anything in regards to our territory. The Aztecs and Incas ran South America, and were displaced by the Spaniards and the indigenous peoples who had been conquered by the Aztecs and Incas. Mexico has no claim to the land they occupy today if, as you obviously feel, the United States has no claim over the areas near Mexico that we occupy.
Immigration is not the willy-nilly absorption of anybody who can steal in here. It never has been, and never will be.
The United States is a sovereign country. Under international law, it's borders are to be respected by citizens of other countries. It's laws involving immigration are also to be respected. Why some people believe that this isn't true has little to do with right or wrong, but everything to do with ignoring any law that doesn't suit them.
Try to immigrate legally into Mexico. It is very difficult, and, as immigrants, you are forever discriminated against when attempting to gain employment, and forbidden to vie for public office.
Should we, then, following your logic about immigrants, try to force Mexico to institute the same policies that we have? Institute the same social programs that immigrants have access to?
If the Mexican government may so hypocritically call for unlimited access to us, doesn't our sovereignity matter? The Mexicans are quite jealous of theirs. It's not a two-way street. Just the usual hypocrisy. We owe no "people" or "country" anything in regards to our territory. The Aztecs and Incas ran South America, and were displaced by the Spaniards and the indigenous peoples who had been conquered by the Aztecs and Incas. Mexico has no claim to the land they occupy today if, as you obviously feel, the United States has no claim over the areas near Mexico that we occupy.
Immigration is not the willy-nilly absorption of anybody who can steal in here. It never has been, and never will be.
Just because we have poor ethnic whites and blacks who are criminals and give us problems, we should have to also accept illegal immigrant poor ethnic mexicans? We should be required to allow them to add themselves to our problems? Ever see the figures of violent felons who are illegal mexican immigrants who are in prison in California?
I had heard on the radio that there's like over a million of them. (Can't verify source, though.)-azurefly
"I'm sure folk's south of the border wouldn't appreciate massive amounts of Americans coming into their cities and states Americanizing their culture and people"
i can gaurantee they wouldnt stand for it, not for a second.
what do you think happens if a group of Americans goes to some mexican town and yanks down the mexican flag, stomps all over it and then runs up a U.S. flag? they would get their heads caved in, thats what would happen.
once a friend and i were in matamoros, we got lost in that hellhole of a city, and the sun was about to set. a very uneasy feeling let me tell you.
we cater to the illegals every whim here, go right across the border into mexico and see what you find printed in english, try to find someone that can speak a little english. good freaking luck.
i can gaurantee they wouldnt stand for it, not for a second.
what do you think happens if a group of Americans goes to some mexican town and yanks down the mexican flag, stomps all over it and then runs up a U.S. flag? they would get their heads caved in, thats what would happen.
once a friend and i were in matamoros, we got lost in that hellhole of a city, and the sun was about to set. a very uneasy feeling let me tell you.
we cater to the illegals every whim here, go right across the border into mexico and see what you find printed in english, try to find someone that can speak a little english. good freaking luck.
9mm,
this is the VERY thing that gets under my skin. It is so obvious a problem and so obvious a double standard. We (americans) are accused being "unfair" if we don't have....for instance the 30.06 posting in both english AND spanish. Our political leaders, state and federal, bend over backwards to pander to Mexican government and Hispanic special interest groups and keep from offending them.
You know we are in trouble when a soccer team in Houston, Texas has to change their name from 1836 (the year of Texas independence and founding of Houston) to something else because it is offensive to Mexicans (foreigners). You know we are in trouble when Cinco de Mayo (a Mexican holiday) is celebrated and honored more in public schools than Texas Independence day or Alamo day.
They can have their country and be proud of it and preserve it.....but if we try to do the same, we are heartless and insensative and even "racist"
:barf:
If such a thing happend in Mexico as you describe with the post office situation, the headlines would be all over "Americans Attack Mexico!" Our entire country would be indicted by the World Court and George Bush would be flying down to Mexico City to clean Vicente Fox's boots. BUT if they do it here to us, then they are just excercising their right of free speech and have a right to be angry because we have a lot to feel guilty for anyway
this is the VERY thing that gets under my skin. It is so obvious a problem and so obvious a double standard. We (americans) are accused being "unfair" if we don't have....for instance the 30.06 posting in both english AND spanish. Our political leaders, state and federal, bend over backwards to pander to Mexican government and Hispanic special interest groups and keep from offending them.
You know we are in trouble when a soccer team in Houston, Texas has to change their name from 1836 (the year of Texas independence and founding of Houston) to something else because it is offensive to Mexicans (foreigners). You know we are in trouble when Cinco de Mayo (a Mexican holiday) is celebrated and honored more in public schools than Texas Independence day or Alamo day.
They can have their country and be proud of it and preserve it.....but if we try to do the same, we are heartless and insensative and even "racist"
:barf:If such a thing happend in Mexico as you describe with the post office situation, the headlines would be all over "Americans Attack Mexico!" Our entire country would be indicted by the World Court and George Bush would be flying down to Mexico City to clean Vicente Fox's boots. BUT if they do it here to us, then they are just excercising their right of free speech and have a right to be angry because we have a lot to feel guilty for anyway
"If a person is not under arrest, the burden should not be on them to prove their citizenship status...at least, I don't think it should be."
of course you dont think so juancarlos, your family is from mexico as you stated. supposedly, an illegal cant get a drivers license, nor a s.s. card, yet we all know, they do. if i get stopped my a cop and he asks for id, guess what happens if i dont produce one, im going downtown till they can figure out who i am.
im not suggesting that police start pulling people over to see if they are legal or not, but when they do stop an illegal, they should be arrested AND deported, and that includes any children they had here after SNEAKING into the country. the anchor baby law needs to change.
its not difficult at all to spot out the mexicans on the streets, lets get real.
Americans arent standing on the corner by the dozens in front of Lowes everyday HOPING to find some work that day. mexicans arent doing jobs that Americans wont do, but they will do them for alot less money. there are ALREADY more than enough illegals here than there are jobs for them to fill, yet they come by the thousands daily.
they really dont care if they get work or not, even jobless they are better off here then in mexico. FREE healthcare for all, FREE education and meals for all the kids, they can get food stamps,etc.....
bush will tell you its impossible to round up millions of illegals. i say thats a bunch of crap, it could be done, yet it doesnt need to be done. if all of the freebies and catering to their every whim would come to an end, they would stop coming and the ones here would leave.
i feel sorry for the teenagers around here, just try getting a job at the local mcdonalds if you dont speak spanish.
of course you dont think so juancarlos, your family is from mexico as you stated. supposedly, an illegal cant get a drivers license, nor a s.s. card, yet we all know, they do. if i get stopped my a cop and he asks for id, guess what happens if i dont produce one, im going downtown till they can figure out who i am.
im not suggesting that police start pulling people over to see if they are legal or not, but when they do stop an illegal, they should be arrested AND deported, and that includes any children they had here after SNEAKING into the country. the anchor baby law needs to change.
its not difficult at all to spot out the mexicans on the streets, lets get real.
Americans arent standing on the corner by the dozens in front of Lowes everyday HOPING to find some work that day. mexicans arent doing jobs that Americans wont do, but they will do them for alot less money. there are ALREADY more than enough illegals here than there are jobs for them to fill, yet they come by the thousands daily.
they really dont care if they get work or not, even jobless they are better off here then in mexico. FREE healthcare for all, FREE education and meals for all the kids, they can get food stamps,etc.....
bush will tell you its impossible to round up millions of illegals. i say thats a bunch of crap, it could be done, yet it doesnt need to be done. if all of the freebies and catering to their every whim would come to an end, they would stop coming and the ones here would leave.
i feel sorry for the teenagers around here, just try getting a job at the local mcdonalds if you dont speak spanish.
"You know we are in trouble when a soccer team in Houston, Texas has to change their name from 1836 (the year of Texas independence and founding of Houston) to something else because it is offensive to Mexicans (foreigners). You know we are in trouble when Cinco de Mayo (a Mexican holiday) is celebrated and honored more in public schools than Texas Independence day or Alamo day. "
that soccer deal was a joke, but they have to cater to their fan base (mexicans), its all about the $$$$$$
what was even sicker was a couple years ago when mexico played the USA squad in a soccer match at reliant stadium. mexico was the HOME TEAM. their fans outnumbered our fans 10 to 1. mexicans, many of them illegals, booing the USA team all the while living here and mooching off of our social services. that made me want to puke. those soccer matches would be a great place for a roundup.
i even saw a car recently that had a calvin peeing sticker on the back glass, underneath the pee it said LA MIGRA, tell me they arent rubbing it right in our faces.
btw soccer SUCKS
that soccer deal was a joke, but they have to cater to their fan base (mexicans), its all about the $$$$$$
what was even sicker was a couple years ago when mexico played the USA squad in a soccer match at reliant stadium. mexico was the HOME TEAM. their fans outnumbered our fans 10 to 1. mexicans, many of them illegals, booing the USA team all the while living here and mooching off of our social services. that made me want to puke. those soccer matches would be a great place for a roundup.
i even saw a car recently that had a calvin peeing sticker on the back glass, underneath the pee it said LA MIGRA, tell me they arent rubbing it right in our faces.
btw soccer SUCKS
Try getting the McDonalds drive in window employee to hold pickles off your Big Mac if they do speak Spanish.
Try understanding them over the drive in intercomm
High Pitched Female Mexican Accent Over Drive In Comm: "Bzzwecumtomcdunulds me a teek ya oda peeze. Wudgoo yiketa tria noo bablabla fa 99 cents."
Me:
"ummm....no thank you...(I think) I'd like a number one with a Coke, hold the pickles and hold the ketchup with bar'b'q sauce on the side, and that's all."HPFSAODI: "okeee ya wanna numberzzz wan widd a bzzza bzzza Coke anda twentizeee bla bla anyting es?"
Me: "uh....no thank you
(I hope)"HPFSAODI: "Okeee ya tota ez feeve twenteee too. tank yoo, peeze dri fowa"
I pull around and hope she understood me better than I understood her.
I'm not trying to be hard on them, the hispanic girls at the window are usually very sweet and they are probably doing the best they can, but this is just a small example of the confusion and conflict this brings.
Of course after several times of slamming my fist down on the table after getting back home seeing they forgot Bar B Q sauce or left pickles on or (if it is a Burger King Whopper, threw on a heavy glob of mayonese after I said to go easy) I have learned to check everything right there at the widow after they hand it to me.
The idea that having had a child here in the U.S. should make an illegal immigrant invader allowed to stay here is like saying that if I shoplift a tube of toothpaste, they should not be able to arrest me or charge me with the theft if I have managed to start brushing with it.
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Good point, but funny.TexanAmerican
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The ultimate lunacy is that 9 out of 10 Mexicans don't even know what Cinco de Mayo is. If you ask the usual response is: Mexican independence day. WRONG!! Even worse is the total lack of knowledge about Texas' war for independence. It was a war against tyranny in the form of Pendejo Santa Anna. Not a "land grab from Mexicans". Santa Anna even referred to himself as the Napolean of the west. In March 1836 Damacio Jimenez, Antonio Fuentes, Gregoio Esparza, Carlos Espalier, Juan Badillo and Juan Abamillo all made the choice to join others at the Alamo and do or die make a stand against tyranny. Likewise, many, many other Mexicans participated in Santa Anna's defeat at San Jacinto (as did my great-great grandfather). As a matter of fact Lorenzo De Zavala helped to frame the Texas Constitution, so anyone stupid enough to call this a race war is full of caca and needs to grow a brain. History has proven the war for Texas Independence to be a just one. Hell, just look at Mexico today. It still lives under tyranny in the form of Vicente Fox. (the little Clinton of the west). It's just a sign of the times. If you expect someone to do what if fair, right, decent and legal and they are a different race than you then they call you a racist to make excuse for their wrong doing. Only in America.
sneaking in
What did they do when someone snuk into a moviehouse or drive in movie? What do you do when someone sneaks into your house? Your car? Your country? Buchanon says in 50 years there will be no country...maybe no house or car or movie either...unless someone takes the horns by the bull (or something like that) Who was that guy who organized the Street Angels (or whatever they are called?) What is wrong with American Citizens making citizens arrests? Who is that mayor who is doing that? Hey...maybe we are all too lazy ey? After all...we still have 50 years. A friend says there are 30 million illegals here...wow ten percent of the pop. 270 to 1. but in 50 yrs...maybe 50/50 ? Maybe we should just MINE the border? Revoke amnesties ? I guess I am beating a dead horse...nobody really cares. We should all stop having babies and let......(use your imagination).......Why bring offspring into a messed up world?
Just think...the rich will have to flip their own burgers....haha.
What did they do when someone snuk into a moviehouse or drive in movie? What do you do when someone sneaks into your house? Your car? Your country? Buchanon says in 50 years there will be no country...maybe no house or car or movie either...unless someone takes the horns by the bull (or something like that) Who was that guy who organized the Street Angels (or whatever they are called?) What is wrong with American Citizens making citizens arrests? Who is that mayor who is doing that? Hey...maybe we are all too lazy ey? After all...we still have 50 years. A friend says there are 30 million illegals here...wow ten percent of the pop. 270 to 1. but in 50 yrs...maybe 50/50 ? Maybe we should just MINE the border? Revoke amnesties ? I guess I am beating a dead horse...nobody really cares. We should all stop having babies and let......(use your imagination).......Why bring offspring into a messed up world?
Just think...the rich will have to flip their own burgers....haha.
concerned,
I share you concern (pun intended ). The good news is that since Buchanan first started trying to bring this to the public's attention just over 10 years ago, public awareness and concern of this problem has gone up to the point where MOST Americans do see this as a serious problem. This is a problem that has been brewing since LBJ and the Immigration Naturalization Act of the 1960s (I have another initial for LBJ, but I won't say it for fear of getting booted...). Liberals and elitists said the fears of conservatives were unfounded and continued to say this up until the early 1990s (even so called conservative republicans). Now people are starting to see the problem. Polls show most Americans see this as a major problem and it needs to be corrected. Yes, our so call federal government leaders are paralyzed with fear of PC and losing votes, but if they won't do the job, the people of these 50 states will elect good men who will (maybe like Buchanan). Or they will elect good men in their state legislatures and sheriff offices who will take care of the problem locally.
I share you concern (pun intended
). The good news is that since Buchanan first started trying to bring this to the public's attention just over 10 years ago, public awareness and concern of this problem has gone up to the point where MOST Americans do see this as a serious problem. This is a problem that has been brewing since LBJ and the Immigration Naturalization Act of the 1960s (I have another initial for LBJ, but I won't say it for fear of getting booted...). Liberals and elitists said the fears of conservatives were unfounded and continued to say this up until the early 1990s (even so called conservative republicans). Now people are starting to see the problem. Polls show most Americans see this as a major problem and it needs to be corrected. Yes, our so call federal government leaders are paralyzed with fear of PC and losing votes, but if they won't do the job, the people of these 50 states will elect good men who will (maybe like Buchanan). Or they will elect good men in their state legislatures and sheriff offices who will take care of the problem locally.I think you need to go back and take another look at Texas' war for independence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Revolution
I'll give you the play by play:
"Illegals" crossed in to Mexico set up shop and home.
Mexico allowed them to stay even made them Mexican citizens.
Mexico had its war and Santa Anna came out on top.
More "illegals" kept crossing the boarder in a attempt to "Americanise" Mexico.
Texas became filled with more and more "illegals" less and less Mexicans.
Santa Anna dissolved the Mexican constitution took complete power over the country.
He attempted to remove these "Illegals" in the country by force.
Some battles ensued.
The Alamo was one of these where "Illegals" and their supporters made their stand and were killed.
Anna let his guard down and was defeated by the "Illegals" and now trator citizens.
Conflict continued in Texas.
The American .gov saw its chance to help current and former citizens AND gain land.
Enter the Mexican-American war.
The best reasons to not support present day "illegals" is in our history of what our "illegals" have done in the past.
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