Illegal Aliens: Misc. News Stories
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You have some frightening daydreams there, Te Anau. So the ultimate goal, and that which you desire, is the expulsion of Mexicans from the United States? Am I the only one that sees a problem with this statement?
Please provide some concrete evidence that the government of Mexico, as an official statement of policy, actively desires an armed conflict with the United States. A few nutjobs ranting about Aztlan or reconquista does not mean that they represent the views of the Mexican government, or even the majority of the Mexican people. The whole reconquista thing strikes me more as a populist daydream than as an actual objective seriously sought by many people; that makes it unfortunate, but not particularly dangerous as yet.
Furthermore, in the extremely remote chance just such a war actually would erupt, don't you think that the American military is capable of kicking the living poo out of the Mexican military before they got anywhere beyond the border? Or are the Chinese going to help them. as has been speculated by others in other threads?
I have to think that if the government of the United States, however blind it may be to certain issues, seriously considered Mexico to be a significant military threat, a lot more would have been done about it by now. The whole "Red Dawn" scenario, though this time involving Mexican infiltration into the southwestern US, is exactly that: a fictional scenario with almost no actual likelihood of either happening or succeeding, not a credible threat upon which to predicate action.The problem with this railing on about how the Mexicans want a war, how we're in a war, how the Mexicans are trying to retake the land, etc. is that it mistakes the forest for the trees. Nobody here, myself included, is saying that illegal immigration is not a problem that requires resolution. However, incessantly banging the war drum attracts the wrong sorts of attention: it attracts the extremist nutters who'd like to seek a "Final Solution" to what they perceive to be the "Mexican problem", and it attracts the unwelcome eyes of your opponents, who'd like nothing better than to paint you as an extremist nutter who shouldn't be trusted with anything, let alone guns and borders.
This hasn't been proven, only alleged. Since you returned to the subject, though, let's return to the subject.
posted by Leif:
So the ultimate goal, and that which you desire, is the expulsion of Mexicans from the United States? Am I the only one that sees a problem with this statement?
YES. You are the only one that sees aproblem with this statement. My only provision would be all illegals must be deported in accordance with the law.
Earlier you ask Te Anau to address some areas of interest that you had inquired. I would like to ask you for the same courtesy. I asked you to define for me what definition you would put on a govt that helps foriegners enter the country more easily/illegally, by informing them of where watch groups may be. (This is assuming the story is true, and I am not saying it is) Would that said govt be called treasonous? Illegal? Irresponsible? Or do you have a different definition?
I am trying hard to understand your view point on this.
So the ultimate goal, and that which you desire, is the expulsion of Mexicans from the United States? Am I the only one that sees a problem with this statement?
YES. You are the only one that sees aproblem with this statement. My only provision would be all illegals must be deported in accordance with the law.
Earlier you ask Te Anau to address some areas of interest that you had inquired. I would like to ask you for the same courtesy. I asked you to define for me what definition you would put on a govt that helps foriegners enter the country more easily/illegally, by informing them of where watch groups may be. (This is assuming the story is true, and I am not saying it is) Would that said govt be called treasonous? Illegal? Irresponsible? Or do you have a different definition?
I am trying hard to understand your view point on this.
The definition would be whatever the law says it would be; I try not to dream up categories of traitors outside of that framework. Until such time as evidence elucidates what exactly the government is and isn't doing, I'm withholding judgment. Getting into a game of providing judgments or definitions based on the assumption that the article is correct is not a game that is particularly productive. Rather, it engenders a poisonous atmosphere replete with emotionally charged words like 'enemy', 'treason', and 'war' that are neither appropriate to the situation nor designed to assist in separating the "wheat from the chaff", i.e. the facts from the spin, with respect to this situation.
When borders, guns, and laws are involved, precision of language is paramount. Agitprop runs counter to that goal. Let's get the facts, let's examine the law, and then pass the judgment.
When borders, guns, and laws are involved, precision of language is paramount. Agitprop runs counter to that goal. Let's get the facts, let's examine the law, and then pass the judgment.
The definition would be whatever the law says it would be; I try not to dream up categories of traitors outside of that framework. Until such time as evidence elucidates what exactly the government is and isn't doing, I'm withholding judgment. Getting into a game of providing judgments or definitions based on the assumption that the article is correct is not a game that is particularly productive. Rather, it engenders a poisonous atmosphere replete with emotionally charged words like 'enemy', 'treason', and 'war' that are neither appropriate to the situation nor designed to assist in separating the "wheat from the chaff", i.e. the facts from the spin, with respect to this situation.
When borders, guns, and laws are involved, precision of language is paramount. Agitprop runs counter to that goal. Let's get the facts, let's examine the law, and then pass the judgment.
Now that is a post that I can certainly agree with. But, the original story does bring into question the what if factor. We are neither judge and jury here. But, it is not far fetched to examine the consequences of a govt that is aiding and abetting illegals. I mean our own govt in the 1940's and 50's was infecting our brave military men with siphilous to see the effects of this disease. Remember? Imagine that. The U.S. Government infected it's own citizens with a disease. Now does this action seem like the govt is acting in a mind frame of the Master or the Servant?
So, pondering the implications of their alleged actions in the Minute Men story is not with out merit.
"eternal vigilance is the price of freedom."
Questioning at all times the govt's actions is neither unhealthy or unwise. It benefits us all.
When borders, guns, and laws are involved, precision of language is paramount. Agitprop runs counter to that goal. Let's get the facts, let's examine the law, and then pass the judgment.
Now that is a post that I can certainly agree with. But, the original story does bring into question the what if factor. We are neither judge and jury here. But, it is not far fetched to examine the consequences of a govt that is aiding and abetting illegals. I mean our own govt in the 1940's and 50's was infecting our brave military men with siphilous to see the effects of this disease. Remember? Imagine that. The U.S. Government infected it's own citizens with a disease. Now does this action seem like the govt is acting in a mind frame of the Master or the Servant?
So, pondering the implications of their alleged actions in the Minute Men story is not with out merit.
"eternal vigilance is the price of freedom."
Questioning at all times the govt's actions is neither unhealthy or unwise. It benefits us all.
2ndamd, I think we're speaking at cross purposes here. In no way do I think that the government has behaved well on each and every occasion throughout its history. I fully encourage and support examination of their activities.
What I dislike intensely is not questioning of the government based on the factually documented record of its activity and behavior, but rather questioning by questioners that cannot discuss an issue without resorting to ideologically overheated language and apocalyptic propaganda to the extent that it completely undermines whatever legitimacy their original questions held. Basically, if you have to rely on imagery and emotion in your argument, something factual probably is lacking.
When it all comes down to the proverbial "brass tacks", we can ponder the implications of an alleged action all day long, but until the facts emerge, it's simply pondering.
What I dislike intensely is not questioning of the government based on the factually documented record of its activity and behavior, but rather questioning by questioners that cannot discuss an issue without resorting to ideologically overheated language and apocalyptic propaganda to the extent that it completely undermines whatever legitimacy their original questions held. Basically, if you have to rely on imagery and emotion in your argument, something factual probably is lacking.
When it all comes down to the proverbial "brass tacks", we can ponder the implications of an alleged action all day long, but until the facts emerge, it's simply pondering.
Here's some factual matter for ya leif. We have a very serious problem with ILLEGAL ALIENS crossing our border.
It's time America puts a stop to it. The Mexican Governments been the problem the whole time, fallowed by the U S Government.
The Anti-American Anti-christian group which hides behind the letters ACLU is reported on several networks from CNN to FOX to not only be haraassing the Minitemen, but trying to give away they'er posts to the enemy.
Who is giving these ILLEGAL ALIENS health inspections upon entry?
We need a wall, and the guard on the Mexican boarder.
It's time America puts a stop to it. The Mexican Governments been the problem the whole time, fallowed by the U S Government.
The Anti-American Anti-christian group which hides behind the letters ACLU is reported on several networks from CNN to FOX to not only be haraassing the Minitemen, but trying to give away they'er posts to the enemy.
Who is giving these ILLEGAL ALIENS health inspections upon entry?
We need a wall, and the guard on the Mexican boarder.
Leif: Agreed. We are merely pondering. But that is the purpose of this particular forum. Yes?
I see no harm in people "exploring" the possibility of the story having merit. It is something we need to consider. And many have proposed and expressed much concern in our govt's actions during the past 4 decades in dealing with the illegal alien problem.
Now the media has stories of the illegals flexing their financial muscle by boycotting business and protesting in the streets the Senate's consideration of a new law. And the people at this forum wish to express their views. And you wish to sequester their emotions from these stories?
People have worked hard to build this country to be as great as it is. And now the people who choose to thumb their nose at the law and flex their financial might are in the media demanding their rights or voices be heard. And, I am not having it! If you wish to come to America then follow the proper channels. Any violation of the law places you as a criminal. And IMO a criminal who does not deserve the protections of the Constitution because you are not a citizen.
Then we get a story that our govt may even be assisting or aiding and abetting these criminals to futher break the law. And you want us to remove our emotional discontent with the govts handling of the situation? I disagree. I think anger is just an emotion. It is not good or bad. The actions that we take with our anger can be labeled as such. Maybe you come to this forum to vent it out. Maybe you act like Martin Luther King Jr. and form a resistence/boycott of the busing system until the law is changed. Is that not what the minute men are doing? They are seeking to assist the govt protect our boarders? And then a story emerges about the govt they are trying to help is stabbing them in the back to help the illegals. And you do not think that is going to cause an emotional response from people?
I disagree sir. Emotion and conviction are what we need in this fight. 90% of Americans do not support someone who would violate the law to live in this country. I am sympathetic to people wanting to come to this country but do so in a manner consistent with the law. Without following proper procedures then they are criminals asking and demanding they be heard.
I will fight to the death to protect the first amd. Hence my name. The 2ndamd protects the 1stamd. But, you have got to be a citizen that has not forfeitted some of your rights first. I would think people would want ALL the protections of the constitution when coming to this country.
I am not and do not condone the use of violence because one is angry. But, anger can spark social change in a constructive manner. Stephen Biko, Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. all fought for something. The minute men are following in their footsteps. They fight for what many of us believe in. Immigration in a leagal and responsible manner. NOT ILLEGALLY!
I see no harm in people "exploring" the possibility of the story having merit. It is something we need to consider. And many have proposed and expressed much concern in our govt's actions during the past 4 decades in dealing with the illegal alien problem.
Now the media has stories of the illegals flexing their financial muscle by boycotting business and protesting in the streets the Senate's consideration of a new law. And the people at this forum wish to express their views. And you wish to sequester their emotions from these stories?
People have worked hard to build this country to be as great as it is. And now the people who choose to thumb their nose at the law and flex their financial might are in the media demanding their rights or voices be heard. And, I am not having it! If you wish to come to America then follow the proper channels. Any violation of the law places you as a criminal. And IMO a criminal who does not deserve the protections of the Constitution because you are not a citizen.
Then we get a story that our govt may even be assisting or aiding and abetting these criminals to futher break the law. And you want us to remove our emotional discontent with the govts handling of the situation? I disagree. I think anger is just an emotion. It is not good or bad. The actions that we take with our anger can be labeled as such. Maybe you come to this forum to vent it out. Maybe you act like Martin Luther King Jr. and form a resistence/boycott of the busing system until the law is changed. Is that not what the minute men are doing? They are seeking to assist the govt protect our boarders? And then a story emerges about the govt they are trying to help is stabbing them in the back to help the illegals. And you do not think that is going to cause an emotional response from people?
I disagree sir. Emotion and conviction are what we need in this fight. 90% of Americans do not support someone who would violate the law to live in this country. I am sympathetic to people wanting to come to this country but do so in a manner consistent with the law. Without following proper procedures then they are criminals asking and demanding they be heard.
I will fight to the death to protect the first amd. Hence my name. The 2ndamd protects the 1stamd. But, you have got to be a citizen that has not forfeitted some of your rights first. I would think people would want ALL the protections of the constitution when coming to this country.
I am not and do not condone the use of violence because one is angry. But, anger can spark social change in a constructive manner. Stephen Biko, Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. all fought for something. The minute men are following in their footsteps. They fight for what many of us believe in. Immigration in a leagal and responsible manner. NOT ILLEGALLY!
2ndamd, I actually take less issue with your post then you may suspect.
This is a forum, and people ponder. That's fine. I'm not in the least suggesting people shouldn't ponder, speculate, discuss, etc.; that's called free speech. What I object to is the rush to judgment when the facts are not known, and the hastening of that rush by inflammatory language and imagery. Part of the reason, as I understand it, that this thread was moved and combined with the moderator's sticky was due to the inflammatory nature of previous posts about the issue of illegal immigration (hence the creation of the stickies). I am in no way trying to play moderator. However, rehashing inflammatory rhetoric about this issue is not going to get anybody anywhere, at least not here, and will draw the sorts of unwanted attention that I outlined in my previous post.
The same ability to speak freely, within the boundaries established by those who operate this forum, that allows somebody to make an inflammatory and potentially unfounded post gives me the same ability to call them into account for it, again within the boundaries established by those who operate this forum. So if somebody makes a generalist type of accusation like "the government is the enemy," it shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody than somebody will challenge that statement.
Turning to the issue of emotion and anger, there is a time and a place for everything. Illegal immigration elicits strong emotions, some of which are completely justified. However, within the context of this thread, there is nothing to be gained through the venting of anger at an alleged transgression against the Minutemen. Does the allegation bother me? Yes, it does. Does it anger me? Not yet, because virtually no substantive evidence has been presented to support the allegation, and what evidence has been cited is inaccessible because it is in a foreign language, so I really can't do anything with it. Am I holding up a terribly high standard of proof on this issue? No.
In the interest of full disclosure, I do lose my temper from time to time, because I am human. I also try to regain my composure when that happens, so that I can tackle the issue with a clear and logical mind.
This is a forum, and people ponder. That's fine. I'm not in the least suggesting people shouldn't ponder, speculate, discuss, etc.; that's called free speech. What I object to is the rush to judgment when the facts are not known, and the hastening of that rush by inflammatory language and imagery. Part of the reason, as I understand it, that this thread was moved and combined with the moderator's sticky was due to the inflammatory nature of previous posts about the issue of illegal immigration (hence the creation of the stickies). I am in no way trying to play moderator. However, rehashing inflammatory rhetoric about this issue is not going to get anybody anywhere, at least not here, and will draw the sorts of unwanted attention that I outlined in my previous post.
The same ability to speak freely, within the boundaries established by those who operate this forum, that allows somebody to make an inflammatory and potentially unfounded post gives me the same ability to call them into account for it, again within the boundaries established by those who operate this forum. So if somebody makes a generalist type of accusation like "the government is the enemy," it shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody than somebody will challenge that statement.
Turning to the issue of emotion and anger, there is a time and a place for everything. Illegal immigration elicits strong emotions, some of which are completely justified. However, within the context of this thread, there is nothing to be gained through the venting of anger at an alleged transgression against the Minutemen. Does the allegation bother me? Yes, it does. Does it anger me? Not yet, because virtually no substantive evidence has been presented to support the allegation, and what evidence has been cited is inaccessible because it is in a foreign language, so I really can't do anything with it. Am I holding up a terribly high standard of proof on this issue? No.
In the interest of full disclosure, I do lose my temper from time to time, because I am human. I also try to regain my composure when that happens, so that I can tackle the issue with a clear and logical mind.
That was a rather long and pointless lecture, whats your point? Let people post as they please, and allow the owners of the site to decide.
Im concerned by the racial messege these hispanic groups on the links provided are displaying towards America.
I see no need for them to bring race into the illegal alien problem that they are bringing to us. Let's not only make poor judgment calls on Americans. I see some very poor wording and action on they're part as well.
Im concerned by the racial messege these hispanic groups on the links provided are displaying towards America.
I see no need for them to bring race into the illegal alien problem that they are bringing to us. Let's not only make poor judgment calls on Americans. I see some very poor wording and action on they're part as well.
Sad, But True.
The recent anti-immigration uproar has touched a deep nerve in my personal life, yet I have concluded what many U.S. born Americans claim is sadly true. Am an american born in Mexico, orphan since the age of 10, I did not plan to come over to the U.S., yet my father went down to Mexico to claim custody and brought me over to the California Republic. My father spent a sizeable amount of money and time trying to get his orphan son (me) to his care in the U.S., my visa was denied in the basis that if I was allowed to enter I would stay in the country (which was the whole point of the immigrant visa application, to stay with my dad). After several attemps, my father decided to contract a coyote and bring me in illegally, I was born in the mexican state of Durango, in a small mining town were people died weekly in mining accidents (lost some of my early childhood friends as young as 13).
Upon arriving in Tijuana, B.C., where a stayed for two weeks, the first sight at dawn was the beautiful san Diego skyline in the distance, I felt my heart beat racing in anticipation of my upcoming, uncertain adventure.
I used to sit on top a a hill every day and gaze at San Diego's downtown area, admiring the beauty of the monster of steel and asphalt. My entry into U.S. territory was through a hole of the barbed wired fence which runs just east of San Isidro, ran about 5 miles (yes, ran. there was no time to walk, the bp helo came about my bearings every 20 minutes or so.) to a house which was used as a terminal, where I was picked up on what looked like an old datsun 210, I was wrapped in a blanket and crunched in the spare tire well, driven on what might been the I-5 north, I made out some voices in a dueling mix of accents, those of the mexican coyotes and the national guard soldiers (as I learned later they were not BP agents but NG elements manning the check point), made it past the check point, midnight had come, and the smuggler pulled the back seat rest down and called me to come out of hiding from the trunk, he said:
"welcome to The U.S.A"., son, enjoy the view, he was referring to the sea of lights ahead as we approached Orange County, as I turned around, I remember a young couple of Asian girls driving a nice car ( first time I saw another race other than mine, first time I saw a multi-line highway and first time I saw a Honda vehicle), that's when it hit me!!! I was in another country, another culture, another way of life. That's when I made a promise to myself to be a good citizen, go to school, learn the language the soldiers and the smugglers were talking, and be a productive person.
time has passed by at lightning speed, am 30 now, have a wife an child, got the Honda accord I fell in love with, a decent job, decent income, decent life,
never arrested, not a misdemeanor, not a felony, not a single dollar out of any government program or handout- and am willing to give out my ssn to any non-belivers !!, every year paid taxes until I got eligible for a refund due to dependents.
I hav'e had a good life here in the U.S., because I have been a good citizen on my own free will, although I am a citizen of illegal background, I can attest that I have been more of an asset to this country than many U.S. born fellow citizens, I hold no loyalty to any other flag, principles and people than those of the U.S. of A., as I affirmed when I placed my hand on the old testament and said to a Navy Captain: "so help me god".
Yet make no mistake, loyalty to the United States does not eradicate my love for my culture, this is where I understand why my fellow American Born citizens
resent the behavior of some immigrants whom have no intentions to asimilate
the American culture (legal or not), on a recent drive from work in Los Angeles, on very foul weather, I noticed this driver driving erratically, switching lines without signaling, cutting off, tailgating and speeding, with no lights on at dusk, I catched up to him, give him a low-high beam flashing of my haedlights, he waited until I caught up, rolled his window down and inquired what the F....... did I want, I politely said to him to be more careful obout his driving moves and turn on his hedlamps for safety in the rain, he replied: "why"???, I said: "well not only to be conscious of the fact that we all share the road and you are making it unsafe, and because there are traffic rules and laws which you are violating", his response was a blatant: "I don't give a s*** about the laws", and a very polite "f*** you, son of b****" in a very eloquent spanish, I asked him what if he run over some one or crashed and hurt another driver, his answer really, really depressed me, it was: "I'll just go back to Mexico" (I guess he knows the no-extradition crappy law they have down there for a-holes facing harsh punisment here).
Immigrants in general, are well ment, family loving, hard working people (like myself), who in my opinion deserve a shot at a work permit, then residency and eventually citizenship, the few elements like this coward who wouldn't even say "I'll stay and face the consecuences of my actions, like a real man" deserve to be shot (figuratively). I declare my despise to this kind of fellow, be mexican, american, european, or any nationality, race or creed. I jus felt very sad this one was from my former country, and that like him, there are many who f**** up for all of us.
ps> on a special note, I got more than I bargained for that cold night on the I-5 check point where I made the promise to learn English, not only did I managed to do it, but also Italian and french sticked to the frying pan I have for a brain.
just wanted to share the story of a good immigrant, who wishes everybody well and that this issue gets resolved soon to begin healing and keep our country the way we want it, peaceful,tolerant and ruled by law, by the people and for the people.
to keep this posting firearms-related I would post my collection, but I think I had already taken a cosiderable amount of space and time of you readers, so I'll leave that for another posting-
Manuel D.
ciao y hasta luego, may the god of your faith bless you all. love your families, respect your parents and ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.
The recent anti-immigration uproar has touched a deep nerve in my personal life, yet I have concluded what many U.S. born Americans claim is sadly true. Am an american born in Mexico, orphan since the age of 10, I did not plan to come over to the U.S., yet my father went down to Mexico to claim custody and brought me over to the California Republic. My father spent a sizeable amount of money and time trying to get his orphan son (me) to his care in the U.S., my visa was denied in the basis that if I was allowed to enter I would stay in the country (which was the whole point of the immigrant visa application, to stay with my dad). After several attemps, my father decided to contract a coyote and bring me in illegally, I was born in the mexican state of Durango, in a small mining town were people died weekly in mining accidents (lost some of my early childhood friends as young as 13).
Upon arriving in Tijuana, B.C., where a stayed for two weeks, the first sight at dawn was the beautiful san Diego skyline in the distance, I felt my heart beat racing in anticipation of my upcoming, uncertain adventure.
I used to sit on top a a hill every day and gaze at San Diego's downtown area, admiring the beauty of the monster of steel and asphalt. My entry into U.S. territory was through a hole of the barbed wired fence which runs just east of San Isidro, ran about 5 miles (yes, ran. there was no time to walk, the bp helo came about my bearings every 20 minutes or so.) to a house which was used as a terminal, where I was picked up on what looked like an old datsun 210, I was wrapped in a blanket and crunched in the spare tire well, driven on what might been the I-5 north, I made out some voices in a dueling mix of accents, those of the mexican coyotes and the national guard soldiers (as I learned later they were not BP agents but NG elements manning the check point), made it past the check point, midnight had come, and the smuggler pulled the back seat rest down and called me to come out of hiding from the trunk, he said:
"welcome to The U.S.A"., son, enjoy the view, he was referring to the sea of lights ahead as we approached Orange County, as I turned around, I remember a young couple of Asian girls driving a nice car ( first time I saw another race other than mine, first time I saw a multi-line highway and first time I saw a Honda vehicle), that's when it hit me!!! I was in another country, another culture, another way of life. That's when I made a promise to myself to be a good citizen, go to school, learn the language the soldiers and the smugglers were talking, and be a productive person.
time has passed by at lightning speed, am 30 now, have a wife an child, got the Honda accord I fell in love with, a decent job, decent income, decent life,
never arrested, not a misdemeanor, not a felony, not a single dollar out of any government program or handout- and am willing to give out my ssn to any non-belivers !!, every year paid taxes until I got eligible for a refund due to dependents.
I hav'e had a good life here in the U.S., because I have been a good citizen on my own free will, although I am a citizen of illegal background, I can attest that I have been more of an asset to this country than many U.S. born fellow citizens, I hold no loyalty to any other flag, principles and people than those of the U.S. of A., as I affirmed when I placed my hand on the old testament and said to a Navy Captain: "so help me god".
Yet make no mistake, loyalty to the United States does not eradicate my love for my culture, this is where I understand why my fellow American Born citizens
resent the behavior of some immigrants whom have no intentions to asimilate
the American culture (legal or not), on a recent drive from work in Los Angeles, on very foul weather, I noticed this driver driving erratically, switching lines without signaling, cutting off, tailgating and speeding, with no lights on at dusk, I catched up to him, give him a low-high beam flashing of my haedlights, he waited until I caught up, rolled his window down and inquired what the F....... did I want, I politely said to him to be more careful obout his driving moves and turn on his hedlamps for safety in the rain, he replied: "why"???, I said: "well not only to be conscious of the fact that we all share the road and you are making it unsafe, and because there are traffic rules and laws which you are violating", his response was a blatant: "I don't give a s*** about the laws", and a very polite "f*** you, son of b****" in a very eloquent spanish, I asked him what if he run over some one or crashed and hurt another driver, his answer really, really depressed me, it was: "I'll just go back to Mexico" (I guess he knows the no-extradition crappy law they have down there for a-holes facing harsh punisment here).
Immigrants in general, are well ment, family loving, hard working people (like myself), who in my opinion deserve a shot at a work permit, then residency and eventually citizenship, the few elements like this coward who wouldn't even say "I'll stay and face the consecuences of my actions, like a real man" deserve to be shot (figuratively). I declare my despise to this kind of fellow, be mexican, american, european, or any nationality, race or creed. I jus felt very sad this one was from my former country, and that like him, there are many who f**** up for all of us.
ps> on a special note, I got more than I bargained for that cold night on the I-5 check point where I made the promise to learn English, not only did I managed to do it, but also Italian and french sticked to the frying pan I have for a brain.
just wanted to share the story of a good immigrant, who wishes everybody well and that this issue gets resolved soon to begin healing and keep our country the way we want it, peaceful,tolerant and ruled by law, by the people and for the people.
to keep this posting firearms-related I would post my collection, but I think I had already taken a cosiderable amount of space and time of you readers, so I'll leave that for another posting-
Manuel D.
ciao y hasta luego, may the god of your faith bless you all. love your families, respect your parents and ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.
Were a sinking ship
I hate to say it but I think it's the end of the United States that our parants knew. It's not going to be good but the bottom line the American people have been sold out by the corporate greedy bastards,bought and paid off polititions, and liberals that want to give the country away. Living in Northern Mexico AKA Kalifornia I see the changes with english being a second language and when we meke all the illegals legal residents the next wave of il-legals will move in and all these people having loyality to Mexico not the United States. The United State will no longer be United (we've met the enemy and the ememy is within)
I hate to say it but I think it's the end of the United States that our parants knew. It's not going to be good but the bottom line the American people have been sold out by the corporate greedy bastards,bought and paid off polititions, and liberals that want to give the country away. Living in Northern Mexico AKA Kalifornia I see the changes with english being a second language and when we meke all the illegals legal residents the next wave of il-legals will move in and all these people having loyality to Mexico not the United States. The United State will no longer be United (we've met the enemy and the ememy is within)