I'll never need a gun - Part 5

Not going to bore you with my research, but the number is around 1 in 2,000 for home invasions
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Based on your logic, (or lack there of) I can stop using my seat belts and throw away my MC helmet.

The problem is, none of us know which on of us its that "1".

Sorry, my 20 years in LE tells me that stats don't mean crap. Also home invasions happen in Good Neighborhoods too.

The poorer, or slum areas have home envisions because of drugs, gangs, etc. They normally don't have anything worth stealing.

If a bandit wants to steal something, chances are, they're going to a good neighborhood.

I could keep a gun on my night stand, I could keep one under my mattress, or pillow.

Grandkids play with my dogs in the bedroom. So where are they most likely to find a loaded gun, in the bed room??? Probably.

Added to the treat of kids getting guns, I look up from where I'm setting on my couch typing this. The living room door is to my left, the back door is to my right. If someone kicks either, I can't get to the bedroom before they get in.

But I don't keep my loaded guns in the bedroom. I don't keep my loaded guns where grandkids can get to them.

I KEEP THEM (IT) IN MY POCKET.

You can't get though either door faster then I can get to my pocket. (No matter where I am). Grandkids can't get into my pocket. When my chickens or dogs start acting up, I can get out the door to get the fox, skunk, (or what ever that's after my chickens) faster then I can load a gun (since I keep the ammo and guns separate - grandkids remember).

Laugh all you want, people laugh at me when I wear a MC helmet too.

Laugh at cops who were protective vest, the odds of a cop getting shot is much less then the 1/2000 you've listed as your stat.
 
kraigwy, while I agree with you, you are arguing with the wrong guy.

JC57, who gave the 1 in 2,000 number, is on your side. He was refuting JerryM, who was claiming that the odds of a home invasion were infinitesimally low, and that one would think at least one of our forum members would have had a home invasion if the odds were so high.

JC57 then came in, said in fact he had been forced to repel a home invasion, and gave the 1 in 2,000 stat.

Edit: correction, sorry; JC57 said he had been forced to repel a home invasion; Onward Allusion then said the odds were more like 1 in 2,000, and therefore not insignificant.
 
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Having recently moved to the US for some time, I am truly appalled by the structural standards of homes. Where I've lived earlier, breaking and entering was always a need-serious-tools, then make-several-minutes-of-cacophonic-noise kind of an affair, and the overall appearance of homes isn't that different. Absolutely no way to "kick in a door" to begin with... because the doors open the heck outwards.

These homes are no castles, folks. Why on Earth these utterly brittle shells of dwellings when there are bricks and mortar, timber and bolts to go around? Why the dismal, cut-your-own keyed locks, when there is Abloy? Why the low windows providing simple step-in access, when one could just shift the design by less than a foot to make it a serious climb-over-shards-of-glass performance? Why the silver plate access to inside door openers, even deadbolts (where any) via having some stupid glass extend right next to it, when again, just a foot more distance would render trying moot? Why the ridiculous pride of "never locking doors and leaving the keys in cars"? And to repeat the simplest, dumbest detail of all... why do the stupid doors have to open inwards so as to be readily kickable? I just don't get it.

And then, why the fixation of guns as a solution to an intruder entering the home, when the problem were a lot better fixed earlier in the process by providing just a little more obstruction for that to happen at all? "I'll rather be shooting a person than locking my doors"?
 
igor, while you make many good points, I do have a question about your outward opening doors:

How do you rig them so the hinges aren't outside, where anybody with a pry-bar or hammer and chisel can simply pull the hinges?
 
Hinge studs - bars inside the hinges that enter the door frame when the door closes, rendering cutting or pulling the external part of the hinge moot.
 
" Sorry, my 20 years in LE tells me that stats don't mean crap. Also home invasions happen in Good Neighborhoods too.

The poorer, or slum areas have home envisions because of drugs, gangs, etc. They normally don't have anything worth stealing.

If a bandit wants to steal something, chances are, they're going to a good neighborhood. "


There is a quote from a old west era bandit( Or it might have even been in the 1920's era. )

Newspaper reporter: Why do you rob banks?

Bandit: Because that's where the money is.

I'm guessing there is more petty crime of opportunity in a bad neighborhood, but when a concerted effort is made to break in, the BG must go to where the money is.
 
What reason do I have to be paranoid?
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Where's your shower gun?:D

My strategy is to have access to a gun which ever way I have to run, should Bubba and his friends gain access. You wouldnt want them to get between you and your only means of defense. Still, my system isn't perfect, lest I have guns stached all over---which I don't.:cool:
 
The next question would be, what is this area like? Is it the projects and the HOA is more of a crime watch/run the drug dealers out of town or is it a upscale area?
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This just happened in the last few days here :

A very good neighborhood. A woman had "dated" a man for 2 months and broken things off with him, realizing he was a "nut case".

He threatened her, police had contact with him @ 10 pm. , 11 p.m. he called and threatened them again. At 1:00 a.m. ..... he knocks down the front door, high on meth, carrying a .45 cal and shoots her 2 daughters in bed sleeping (ages 6 & 9) mutilple times, then shoots the Mom and the Grandma, then himself (& dies). The 6 yr old dies, the 9 yr old is in seriously critical condition, Grandma and mother were treated and will survive their wounds.

It turns out the guy is illegally here and been deported twice before this.

An uncle was in the home and downstairs in the basement. The guy never knew he was there and he was never harmed. By the time he got upstairs when he heard the shooting.... it was already over and the guy had killed himself. Wonder if he wished he had been armed and sleeping upstairs ?

You may have no time to be looking for a gun, before it's all over.
 
I just had a weird dream about a maintenance man, and a security guard couldn't open a door through the lock. It opened in, there was a small inconspicuous door knob on the other side of the door. Instead of opening it up on the left, it opened up on the right, and those other locks were just dummies. Glad I wrote this, because I would have forgotten it in my subconscious.
 
"I just had a weird dream about a maintenance man, and a security guard couldn't open a door through the lock. It opened in, there was a small inconspicuous door knob on the other side of the door. Instead of opening it up on the left, it opened up on the right, and those other locks were just dummies."
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Uhhh... OK.
 
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kraigwy
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Not going to bore you with my research, but the number is around 1 in 2,000 for home invasions
Click to expand...

Based on your logic, (or lack there of) I can stop using my seat belts and throw away my MC helmet.

The problem is, none of us know which on of us its that "1".

Sorry, my 20 years in LE tells me that stats don't mean crap. Also home invasions happen in Good Neighborhoods too.

The poorer, or slum areas have home envisions because of drugs, gangs, etc. They normally don't have anything worth stealing.

If a bandit wants to steal something, chances are, they're going to a good neighborhood.

I could keep a gun on my night stand, I could keep one under my mattress, or pillow.

Grandkids play with my dogs in the bedroom. So where are they most likely to find a loaded gun, in the bed room??? Probably.

Added to the treat of kids getting guns, I look up from where I'm setting on my couch typing this. The living room door is to my left, the back door is to my right. If someone kicks either, I can't get to the bedroom before they get in.

But I don't keep my loaded guns in the bedroom. I don't keep my loaded guns where grandkids can get to them.

I KEEP THEM (IT) IN MY POCKET.

You can't get though either door faster then I can get to my pocket. (No matter where I am). Grandkids can't get into my pocket. When my chickens or dogs start acting up, I can get out the door to get the fox, skunk, (or what ever that's after my chickens) faster then I can load a gun (since I keep the ammo and guns separate - grandkids remember).

Laugh all you want, people laugh at me when I wear a MC helmet too.

Laugh at cops who were protective vest, the odds of a cop getting shot is much less then the 1/2000 you've listed as your stat.
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Please RE-READ what I wrote about the 1 in 2,000.

Allow me to clarify - I do advocate carrying in the house. Strictly from a statistical point of view, your chances of a home invasion (1 in 2,000) are better (much better) than dying in a DUI related incident (1 in 12,500).

Where am I getting these numbers you ask? 2009 FBI Crime statistics & 2007 NHTSA data.
 
The way I see it, it is a personal choice to carry all the time or not. So for those that choose to not carry 24/7 have made this decision, it doesnt make me or anyone else a fool.

carry if you wish, but never assume I or anyone else is a fool for not doing as you do. That is what really upsets me on this here forum, someone telling me what to do and how to do it.

Doubt if I am alone in this either.
 
The way I see it, it is a personal choice to carry all the time or not. So for those that choose to not carry 24/7 have made this decision, it doesnt make me or anyone else a fool.

carry if you wish, but never assume I or anyone else is a fool for not doing as you do. That is what really upsets me on this here forum, someone telling me what to do and how to do it.

Doubt if I am alone in this either.
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Here, here!
 
CRIME IN THE 1960s

I remember that crime stats in the late 1960s reflected a nation that viewed itself to be in the grip of spiraling crime. Many citizens were arming themselves out of fear.

We need to remember that crime rates vary according to state, region, urban or rural setting. Population demographics also affect crime rates. Nobody in Washington D.C., New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Jackson, Ms, Detroit, East St. Louis, Dallas, or Houston can say that their cities have low crime rates.

The wise among us will remain vigilant and prepared and at the same time pray that we never have to use deadly force.
 
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JustThisGuy

Uhhh... OK.
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Yeah, I know, but it was a dream. My point was, some none US person on the thread mentioned reinforcing the 3 hinges on the door. Let me explain this. One hinge on the top.... Should I keep going?

Just PM me, and I'll explain it to you. A dummy lock on the hinge side?
 
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