If You Think Bush Is Evil Now, Wait Until He Nukes Iran

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So, if say 20 armed guys storm and take your home away..of course you stop them the best you can with your 1911's and 870 shotguns. Anyway they keep your house so you go to the authorities and say 'they have no right to my property", the they say sorry...you are too weak. They keep your property. Makes sense to me!

Might makes right. If we are not a nation of laws & rights, then why should we be a world of laws & rights.
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If 20 armed men stormed your house you will probably be dead already. Please enlighten me then as to how the law will make that right.

We are free to create laws to protect what rights we believe we should have. It is up to each society what laws they wish to have. At the same time those laws are only effective if enforced. Often they also can only attempt to redress a wrong, they can not stop one like in the case you mentioned above. You can go to the police about the 20 guy who stormed your home and hopefully get a satisfactory resolution but that does not change the fact that those 20 armed men stormed your home, claimed it and threw you out on the street if only for a day. You are depending on the "might" of your society and the rules it has established to make right so you can see that in this case "might does make right."

The law says New Orleans gun owners could not be detained, cuffed, and have their houses ransacked by government agents to steal their guns during a crisis but it still happened. Where are the laws that should protect these people? Why has the law to this day not rectified it. No "might" has backed up their "right" so in this case they are left on the loosing end.

If the law can help to maintain a functioning society that is good. In the end though, and everyone here should already know it, when it comes to defending your life you are on your own.

90%+ of the population will most likely act rightly based on their understanding of right and wrong. The remaining few though do not obey a law because it is right in any sense of the word. They obey it because of the "might" of the state and society that is behind it.

It is not so much that I like "Might makes Right." I more prefer to have "Right ensured by Might" Inevitably though "Right" will not be upheld without "Might" and no toothless law, defenseless person, or unprotected nation state can ignore that.
 
OK. So what's the downside of nuking Iran? Are we going to used multiple bombs? What are the targets?


Are your objections principally military, economic, geopolitical, or ethical?


Shouldn't the President make just these sorts of decisions? Otherwise, why have nuclear weapons in the first place? Hasn't Iran been fighting a war against us since 1979? Fighting back wouldn't be inappropriate. The choice of weapons is ours to make. Iran knew we were a nuclear power when they chose to attack our embassy, support terrorism directed at us, and so forth.
 
Hasn't Iran been fighting a war against us since 1979?
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I don't know how you define a war but we are not at war with Iran. Iran hasn't started a war in hundreds of years, the US on the other hand...
 
Yes. Iran is not going to try to nuke us and they won't give one to terrorists either. It could be traced back to them if they gave one to a terrorist. If we were attacked with nuclear weapons by anyone I'm pretty sure the middle east would suddenly become a glass parking lot.
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Thank goodness you are not in a position to make national policy decisions. You mistakenly transfer your value system with regards to life and consequences onto the religious zealot leaders of Iran. The greatest mistake that can be made in any inter cultural exchange is to believe the other person holds the same values that you do. Fundamentalist Islamic Zealots do not care about their death or the deaths of thousands of their own. If they die they have died for Allah's glory and are ensured paradise. To strike out against the unbeliever at the cost of one's own life is the height of religious perfection to them and grants eternal life and glory.

At the same time I do not think the world believes we have the will to strike back. That nuke that goes off in NYC or DC will be blamed on terrorists who have stolen it or gotten it through some illicit means. It will be blamed on an accident or a misguided leader. The world will cry out, along with many in the USA, against retaliation in kind against the "innocent citizens of a foreign nation." "Why is the shopkeeper selling food in Tehran to blame for the actions of a few militants you?" will hear. No, I think America very well may waver and I am almost certain it would under Democratic leadership. I fear our enemies see this and are waiting for such an opportunity.

I don't like Bush and believe he has sold out most of the Conservative movement. At the same time I KNOW that every other world leader out there knows he WOULD respond to a WMD attack with one of our own.
 
So, you don't really have an analysis of the downside of nuking Iran? OK. So, W knows what he's doing. Let the President be the President. That's his job.
 
So, you don't really have an analysis of the downside of nuking Iran?
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Is it really that hard to figure out on your own what the downside is? It's so obvious I don't think it needs explaining.

It will open a pandora's box. Once one nation uses them, it's okay for all of them to use them.

like every neoconservative, is a total Islamophobe.
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Fundamentalist Islamic Zealots do not care about their death or the deaths of thousands of their own. If they die they have died for Allah's glory and are ensured paradise. To strike out against the unbeliever at the cost of one's own life is the height of religious perfection to them and grants eternal life and glory.
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I don't really see the point of argueing with people who have their heads buried in the sand in denial so I'm done talking about Islam.
 
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By voting for Ron Paul. We need to stay out of other countries affairs. Never should of sided with Israel, Let them deal with their own problems that they created. Man I can't believe that people still hang onto this dead belief that they are supposed to be protected at all costs. If we nuke Iran, the world will nuke us. Simple as that. They have protection agreements with each other. We have worn out our welcome. Who are we to think other races are no good, if armed troops came in my neighborhood I would fight with every thing I had. Soon WE may have to.
 
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