ITEOTWAWKI
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Why not allow same sex marriage? Why deprive them the same suffering and misery the rest of us get to partake? If anything we should FORCE them to get married...AND force them to adopt 2-4 kids. Then they'll learn...
If you don't learn from history...
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what polls?
But I'm not going to vote for a guy that wants to determine who I can and cannot marry. He would vote for a ban on gay marriage thus I'm not going to vote for him. He would vote to teach intelligent design in schools and thus I won't vote for him.
Something not having happened does not prevent it from happening in the future.
Hey MoW:
First you said:
But then, in the same post you said:
So which is it? Does my one vote have an impact or not?
The Republicans abandoned me with the reign of Bush the Elder, so why should I allow them to retain a position where they have a proven track record of immersing our country into debt, entangling us with foreign alliances, decreasing individual rights, and a whole buch of other things that they accused the Democrats of doing in order to get Baby Bush elected?
No thank you. I'll exercise my franchise the way I see fit.
First you said:
But then, in the same post you said:
So which is it? Does my one vote have an impact or not?
The Republicans abandoned me with the reign of Bush the Elder, so why should I allow them to retain a position where they have a proven track record of immersing our country into debt, entangling us with foreign alliances, decreasing individual rights, and a whole buch of other things that they accused the Democrats of doing in order to get Baby Bush elected?
No thank you. I'll exercise my franchise the way I see fit.
What polls?
Do a google search--plenty. First on the States that voted down Gay Marriage---
"Six months after gay and lesbian couples began legally marring in Massachusetts, opponents of same-sex marriage swept Election Day, with voters in 11 states approving constitutional amendments codifying marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution.
The amendments won in Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Ohio, Utah and even Oregon the one state where gay rights activists had hoped to prevail.
The amendments passed with a 3-to-1 margin in Kentucky, Georgia and Arkansas, 3-to-2 in Ohio and 6-to-1 in Mississippi"
Next from the Washington Times---
Do a google search--plenty. First on the States that voted down Gay Marriage---
"Six months after gay and lesbian couples began legally marring in Massachusetts, opponents of same-sex marriage swept Election Day, with voters in 11 states approving constitutional amendments codifying marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution.
The amendments won in Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Ohio, Utah and even Oregon the one state where gay rights activists had hoped to prevail.
The amendments passed with a 3-to-1 margin in Kentucky, Georgia and Arkansas, 3-to-2 in Ohio and 6-to-1 in Mississippi"
Next from the Washington Times---
Glenn E. Meyer
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If gay marriage is OK, then how many members of the GOP will ditch their wives for Team Foley?
With all the problems in the world, the idea that the GOP is trying to energize their base over gay marriage is quite amusing.
North Korean Nukes are not affected by our marriage laws nor are Iraqi IEDs prevented by not having gay people in the USA get it on.
Who cares?
With all the problems in the world, the idea that the GOP is trying to energize their base over gay marriage is quite amusing.
North Korean Nukes are not affected by our marriage laws nor are Iraqi IEDs prevented by not having gay people in the USA get it on.
Who cares?
Shouldn't be hard to follow? Your itty-bity vote has an impact on who will win, D or R. That's it, it only impacts the race between the 2---the vote that goes to the 3rd party has no impact in way of him actually getting elected. In the end it will come down to 2 and ONLY 2 people who can win. Sometimes, as was the case in Florida in 2000, a vote for the 3rd party actually helped the Republicans. If you are OK with that(I am) then please continue to vote 3rd party----if you are miserable today and would have preffered Gore to have won, then YOUR vote for a 3rd party actually put you where you are today.
Simple as that.SixForSure
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No, it means what it says. I don't automatically vote for anyone or any party. I will vote for whomever I feel is the best person for the job. I have been a registered Republican for many years, but not every candidate I have voted for has been a Republican.
What I would prefer to see happen nationally is that no one, absolutely no one, vote for an incumbant. Vote for whomever you choose, from whatever party you choose, for whatever reason you have, but let's clear them all out and start over.
I don't believe they are trying to energize strictly on Gay Marriage.
Add in Terrorism, Abortion, 2nd amendment, Religion, low gas prices, record stock markets, etc...It's more of a package deal then individual item. Gay Marriage is just a portion of the idealogy.The Democrats will push on Iraq, pro abortion, etc...but you won't hear much on Gay marriage from them because it is a loser in political terms. Same goes for being tough on terror---they won't crticize much on that because people want to feel safe and have security and going against Bush on this issue makes them look weak. They WILL attack Bush on Iraq because the polls say it's a winner, as is minimum wage etc...
Well by your own definition then you haven't learned. You claim that Republicans holding the House, Senate and White House is clearly not good IYO---yet in your 2nd post you say would would do it again--whether it be Democrat or Republican. You are complaining about 1 party controlling the "triad" yet you would vote for that to happen again.
Fool me once...Absolutely your right to do so. BTW, how do you feel about someone being able to marry more then 1 person, or marrying their couch, or marrying a child? I know some will say that marrying a child is illegal---but as of now so is Gay Marriage. If you allow Gays to marry then where does it stop as to who can or can't? Just a question.
BTW, again it's not just the Bible thumpers---while some of my opinions are influenced by the Bible it is not the only basis for making my decisions. I was asked a while back about how somebody answers to the response of my religion believes against abortion. My answer(religion aside) is based on the heart beating at 6 weeks, brain waves, forming of vital organs etc...in the 1st trimester----AND my religious beliefs also. But as soon as I say religion and abortion the first part of my arguement goes out the window.
SixForSure
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MoW,
I understand completely what you are saying about wasted votes, and part of me wants to agree with it, but.......
If the philosophical pendulum of your party, Republican or Democrat has swung too far one way or the other, the only way you have of expressing that is by not voting for them. Voting for the other major party sends the wrong message though. Remaining a registered (insert party here) and voting third party says "neither of you has it right, but one of you is close". If every Republican voted Republican and every Democrat voted Democrat there would be no reality checks and I can see the potential for both parties running amok.
I understand completely what you are saying about wasted votes, and part of me wants to agree with it, but.......
If the philosophical pendulum of your party, Republican or Democrat has swung too far one way or the other, the only way you have of expressing that is by not voting for them. Voting for the other major party sends the wrong message though. Remaining a registered (insert party here) and voting third party says "neither of you has it right, but one of you is close". If every Republican voted Republican and every Democrat voted Democrat there would be no reality checks and I can see the potential for both parties running amok.
SixForSure
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I apparently did not make my position clear. I was not complaining about one party holding all three. I was complaining that the Republicans had a golden oportunity to really accomplish great things, but blew it due to lack of leadership and by not being able to agree among themselves on how to use the power. I have always claimed that if you put two or more politicians in a locked room and told them that they could have whatever they wanted for their next meal, but the vote had to be unanimous, they would be dead from starvation whn you went back.
Has any candidate that you have voted for agreed with you on EVERY single issue?
Six----I think that 1 can only make a decision based on the fact that 1 of the 2 is going to win, regardless oy your protest vote. Again, it's your right to do so---just informing you of the possible consequences of doing so.
Whichever party you are registered with, if you think the "other" party is the lesser of the 2 and whatever happens you don't want party A winning(B not great but better then A)--then you might want to make your vote count so to speak. How many of those who either did not vote or absolutely hated Bush in 2000 regret today not voting or voting 3rd party? It would only take 600.
Brings up an interesting question---how many 3rd party registered voters or "other" do you think voted D or R?
Six----I think that 1 can only make a decision based on the fact that 1 of the 2 is going to win, regardless oy your protest vote. Again, it's your right to do so---just informing you of the possible consequences of doing so.
Whichever party you are registered with, if you think the "other" party is the lesser of the 2 and whatever happens you don't want party A winning(B not great but better then A)--then you might want to make your vote count so to speak. How many of those who either did not vote or absolutely hated Bush in 2000 regret today not voting or voting 3rd party? It would only take 600.
Brings up an interesting question---how many 3rd party registered voters or "other" do you think voted D or R?
SixForSure
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MoW, My guess would be none.
I was being charitable.
I feel that government has no business in marriage in the first place. It's a contract between people, not people and government. Mormoms frequently marry children though they skate by the legal issues by not bothering to mention it to the state. Marrying a couch? Why is that's one of the first places y'all go? Is a couch an adult capable of making a sound decision? Is an animal an adult capable of making a sound decision? I guess if you allow gays to marry then maybe black will one day be marrying whites.
oh no!Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
The fetus is not infused with blood until the circulatory system has developed which happens around the third week. If blood = life then conception != life. I don't like abortion but I don't believe neither science nor religion has the authority to determine the point when life exists and thus government has no authority to control what happens to a fetus.
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So this then brings up the issue. Voting for the House or Senate is much, much different then voting for a President who does have some individual powers. While I do not agree with EVERY issue the Republicans do and I'm sure not all Democrats agree with every issue the Democrats do either----there is a big difference overall in political phiolsophy in R vs D parties. Voting for an "individual" Congressmen or Senator thinking that they will vote how you agree with them on a particular subject is fellacious. Check the voting record----as an individual they will accomplish nothing and will simply vote what the polls tell them to, not their individual beliefs. That said, I would tend to "usually" go party line between 2 candidates when it comes to the House or Senate because it is more about party philosophy then individual beliefs. President is a different animal all together. The biggest factor for me personally in what has been accomplished under Bush is the fact that he was able to choose the Supreme Court as opposed to a J. Kerry---makes it all worthwhile IMO.
SixForSure
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A really BIG AMEN to that!!!!!!!!!!!!
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