If you absolutely have to open carry...

My feeling is, they won't shoot an ordinary, openly armed citizen for exactly the same reason.

To bet your life on this as "fact" is not smart, IMHO. Not smart at all....

Any criminal capable of shooting a cop is most certainly unstable and/or uncaring enough to shoot you if you appear to be a threat or an object which may come between him/her and the objective. Can you honestly say that a criminal is more willing to be shot (possibly killed) by a "citizen" than to be hauled to jail thanks to a cop? Dont fool yourself here.


Yet, how many of us, like me, are out there because we have been victims of petty, dumb, scum criminals who are just looking for the easy target?

A few year back (during a car jacking) I had a 9mm shoved in my face and was "ordered" to lie face down on the pavement....violent enough for you?

Open carry?...it would not have mattered. If this punk saw that I had a weapon, he would have either taken it (under the force of gunpoint) or shot me...who knows. Now, if I were concealing a weapon at this time I might have been able to take advantage of the element of surprise. Who knows? But, given this situation, if he saw that I was obviously armed, he would have acted accordingly and would certainly have kept me from acquiring my weapon. Dont think for a second that, if I had drawn a weapon (OC or not) on this individual, he would not have tried to unload his 9mm. And guess what, Im an "ordinary citizen" and this guy was just an "ordinary punk."

If I were dealing with a cold-blooded career criminal who does not care about the trifles of consequence, I probably would not be responding to your post right now.

When you OC, it does not necessarily make you "easy," but it does make you obvious. This should concern you. Im sorry that it does not.

Think what you want..my theories are sound. Your life wont depend on my beliefs...my life, however, just might. So, I will stick to what I believe is right. Your beliefs are yours to keep and live by.
 
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A few year back (during a car jacking) I had a 9mm shoved in my face and was "ordered" to lie face down on the pavement....violent enough for you?

And you really believe that if that criminal knew beforehand that you were armed that they still would have picked you when the person coming after you probably would not be visibly armed?
 
And you really believe that if that criminal knew beforehand that you were armed that they still would have picked you when the person coming after you probably would not be visibly armed?

I was INSIDE of the vehicle brother...so no!!! Regardless, there were multiple individuals involved.

My God man...lose the mentality that having a strapped weapon (in plain view) is a detriment to all evil. This kind of crap may get you into a heap of trouble one day. Its not valid thinking and it certainly isnt smart.

If you have the fastest car on the block, you will still be challenged. If you are the biggest, baddest guy in the bar, you will still be challenged...etc., etc., ad nauseum. Exposing a weapon to the weak is effective. Exposing a weapon to the strong, uncaring, unimpressed and experienced...not so effective. Im hoping you get the point.

While I respect your opinion (and the opinions of others like you), I simply and strongly disagree.

Regardless, Im done with this topic as an obvious impass has been reached.
 
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Lets continue this debate via PM or not at all. If not, you go your way and I will go mine. It makes absolutely no difference to me.

No, I will stop debating the matter as it is obvious that you, and I, have differing opinions concerning OC, and neither of us is lkely to sway the other.
 
People please! Open carry or don't. It's a personal choice. If you do fine. If you dont fine. If you want to debate it just do a search and read the countless hundreds of other threads on the subject.

If I open carry I dont need your advice on how to cut my hair.:confused::rolleyes::eek::barf:
 
I've noticed a recurring thought throughout this entire thread, and that's the ability to know what the bad guys/good guys/LEOs are thinking when you are carrying open.

I keep reading all sorts of contrived situations where the outcome is somehow magically already known. Especially that the bad guy is looking for an easy mark. If I were a bad guy I'd be looking for a lucrative mark & someone with an $1100 dollar bill strapped in a nice Bianchi holster would be a very good start.

Keep in mind that this is simply my opinion and it's what I'd be thinking if I were a bad guy. I have no idea what a real bad guy is thinking.
 
I guess if I shaved every day, comb my hair didn't wear a dirty T-shirt, dirty blue jeans, and flip flop's, I might open carry.

TBS, I'd have to go through all the trouble of strapping on a holster and tucking in my T-shirt. Did I mention combing my hair?

Instead I just throw the little Airweight in the pocket and go.
 
I agree. I am done too. We are on two sides of the fence, the grass is not greener on the other side, and the grass on this side is just fine to me... :cool: umm, that didn't sound quite right. :eek:
 
>>>>>Mark Milton,

Although I probably shouldn't, I find most of your post a bit offensive, even if it's intended to be given as advice.

For one, have you ever open carried in public? If not, then giving advice seems a bit out of place.

Second. where are you from? Open carry is pretty well accepted in many areas. Making a statement like:



Now, I've been carrying mostly openly for most of my life. I've open carried in grocery stores, hardware stores, insurance businesses, and just about anywhere you can imagine where carry is legal (which is most places here). I've carried concealed in those same places (yes, I keep a valid CCW permit), and also into banks and such.

If you doubt what I say, then come to SE Arizona some time.

Daryl<<<<

Daryl, my comments are based on reality and experience, not wishful thinking.
• And yes I HAVE been pulled over and harrassed by rookies over open carry. To wit, I was wearing a model 29 in a shoulder rig when I came back from an excersion in the woods and the next thing I know this young kid is trying to arrest me for brandishing a weapon. He called an older deputy who knew me and the older deputy told him,"It ain't brandishing a weapon if its sitting in the holster."

• I live in rural Appalachia and work in West Virginai five days a week and go home to Kentucky usually two days a week. This is very rural area across the Tug River I might add, and West Virginia is pretty pro-gun. Its not uncommon for government employees to talk about gun swapping and trading during the middle of a county commission meeting where I live and work.
Yet open carry is increasingly more and more rare. Sign of the times. As Marshall MacCluhan said the world is becoming a global villiage and part of that corporate McSheeple mono-culture is that the McSheeple have been brainwashed into thinking anybody with a gun is a bad guy.
Nobody in the media is pointing out that the armed citizen is usually more like Shane than the Jack Palance character.

Last week, there were three people open carrying downtown, but it was part of a "crime victims week" thing, where local gun owners decided to put an exclamation point on thier support.
Other than that, I have not seen many people open carrying in the past 15 years or so, and those who do are usually even older than I am. One 80 year old man who used to be a constable or deputy when I was a small kid open carries his old blue revolver and I sometimes see him at the post office with it.

In the town where I work I sometimes see a guy who open carries, but he wears a dress shirt and tie and because he has the high and tight haircut and is clean shaven people often assume he is an off duty or plain clothes cop.
Thats where I got the idea of the badge thing which I always thought was worthless, because he has one clipped to his belt. Most of the cops around here don't care, because he works for a living and is no trouble and his wife works at the gunshop where most of them get ammo and holsters and supplies.
I saw him getting by without being harrassed, which made me think that might be the route to take for those of you who would prefer open carry.

Like I said, I HAVE open carried when I was young and figured it wasn't worth the hassle. Back then, BEFORE the CCW laws were passed, I carried a $100 bill with me becuase if you got caught carrying concealed it was a misdemeanor with a $100 fine. I figured that was preferable than being hassled by rookies. When House Bill 40 passed I was one of the first people in the state to get my permit.


I can think of about a half a dozen arrests over the last few years in WV and Kentucky where I am from where people open carrying got arrested wrongfully by novices after a rookie saw them and panicked or after a panicking pilgrim called 911 with a "man with a gun" call.
My dad was a cop in the 70s, by the way and one of my best friends was a cop when I was a young man and I did a LOT of police ride alongs over the years and have been to some of those calls myself, where my dad or my buddy had to call the dispatcher back and explain, "nothing illegal going on, just a man wearing a gun, or a man bringing his gun back from the gunsmith," etc...

And for the record, Bro, my Uncle lived in Arizona back in the 1950s and we discussed open carry often when I was a teenager in the 1970s. He said it was common there and that people didn't get bent out of shape over it the way they do here.

If you are offended by reality, you need to be angry at reality, not the person who points it out to you. I am a pretty intelligent person and the only thing that I find offensive is ignorance and censorship.

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When it comes to open carrying- acting like you're supposed to be carrying is way more important than what you look like. I would never consider playing dress up just to try and make myself fit in.
 
Anyone else live in a place where what town you go to determines whether it's legal to open carry? Here in Oregon is a small city called Hillsboro, where open carry is legal, but you cross a street (literally), and then you're in a town called Beaverton, and then you're breaking the law if you open carry, cuz it's not allowed there.
 
Don't want to open carry and advertise. Most off duty cops that do carry, carry conceled.
I don't need the bravado of "stay away from me I'm armed" When you are armed and reveal it you had better be on your best behavior because you are a walking billboard for gun laws.
 
Anyone else live in a place where what town you go to determines whether it's legal to open carry? Here in Oregon is a small city called Hillsboro, where open carry is legal, but you cross a street (literally), and then you're in a town called Beaverton, and then you're breaking the law if you open carry, cuz it's not allowed there.


It is only illegal in Beaverton to open carry if you don't have a concealed carry license. If you have that, then you can legally open carry in any city in Oregon.

There is only a small handful of cities in Oregon where open carry is illegal: Portland, Beaverton, Salem, Tigard, and Oregon City. But they are most of the largest cities in our state. Just get a concealed carry license, and you can then not have to worry about this.

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Don't want to open carry and advertise. Most off duty cops that do carry, carry conceled.
I don't need the bravado of "stay away from me I'm armed" When you are armed and reveal it you had better be on your best behavior because you are a walking billboard for gun laws.


I fully agree. Concealed carry is much better all around.

Only time that I have ever been hassled about carrying a gun was when I was openly carrying my AR-15 in some rural ranch land. That can cause concern, even in the conservative area that I was in. My buddy was carrying an AR-15 too, and we were both dressed in camo as well. So we were probably quite a sight to behold. But I explained to the rancher that we were just out varmint hunting.

I'm sure that if I openly carried my AR-15 in downtown Portland dressed in camo, that it would cause a lot of commotion.

People should always use common sense, and be responsible gun owners.

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Now some will tell you open carry is a bad idea because it lets the bad guys know you are armed. I don' t think that's much of a problem because in reality bad guys are cowards and they are more apt to leave you alone than try to blindside you.

Most are. I know a guy who was mugged for his gun. He was infamous for doing a bad job of concealing his Glock. He got jumped and smacked around and the only thing he lost was his gun. He filed a police report. One of the muggers was arrested a few days later, the cops said he didn't have the gun but the did have a bag of dope.

Try not to second guess this one. I wasn't there and neither were you.
 
It is only illegal in Beaverton to open carry if you don't have a concealed carry license. If you have that, then you can legally open carry in any city in Oregon.

There is only a small handful of cities in Oregon where open carry is illegal: Portland, Beaverton, Salem, Tigard, and Oregon City. But they are most of the largest cities in our state. Just get a concealed carry license, and you can then not have to worry about this.

Ah. Well I suppose that is better. I was under the impression that in those settings, open carry was just not allowed period, regardless of a concealed carry permit.
 
Mark, if you believe the Bad Guy will shy away from a fight with someone who open carray's then why are there bank robberies where there are armed guards?

Daryl, I would say try open carring around a very liberal Wash State and see what happens. I have had police called on me cuz my pistol was concealled under my jacket and some had the perfet angle to see under the jacket and she called the cops. Then she was outraged to find out a CPL allowed poeple to carry guns into stores .
 
Mark, if you believe the Bad Guy will shy away from a fight with someone who open carray's then why are there bank robberies where there are armed guards?

They don't. They hit banks with unarmed tellers and get out of there fast.

BGs aren't looking for a fight, they're looking for a victim. Anyone carrying a gun gets disqualified real quick.
 
I open carry mostly because it is easier, I can carry a full size gun and it is available very quickly. Mostly people do not even notice. You do have to be aware of firearm retention - I use a thumb break and I actively cover the butt with my elbow when kids are near, etc.

I have never had any issues. Perhaps everyone assumes that I am a cop because of my appearance or perhaps people don't care. I feel that a weapon carried openly demonstrates an honest intent.
 
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