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If We Had To Swallow One New Gun Control Law, Which One?
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raimius said:That is exactly something that is Constitutionally authorized.The Second Amendment doesn't include the word "mandatory," or the word "qualification."
Clause 16. "The Congress shall have Power to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress."
Congress has the power to do all that with respect to the Militia, but I am not a Militia member; I'm over 45.
Would it be smart policy for Congress to exercise its power by requiring training and/or providing equipment? I'd leave that family sized can of worms unopened. However that power isn't one that could allow a qualification before exercising a fundamental constitutional right.
TruthTellers
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I'll answer this one for you.My concern with UBC
The Devil in the details. You have a bureaucracy with the ability to make regulations with force of law.
How do you enforce compliance with UBC? How do you control a transfer to a friend or relative? The question is not about "Just do the background check"
Its about what mechanism of enforcement will be created.
If I had to create such a system,I'd want to track change. In order to do that,I'd need to have an inventory of every gun you have. I'd need to be able to physically audit your premises. If your registered inventory was 3 shotguns,2 handguns,and 3 rifles,make,model and SNs...That had better be your inventory upon inspection. If you add or subtract from your registered inventory,without a record of the UBC, or a theft police report, you will be assumed guilty of violating the UBC,which will likely be a felony,like the rest of the BATF infractions.
Myself, with the laws we have today, in most cases I would have a transfer done at an FFL to protect myself. The transfer establishes a timeline that either connects or separates me from any misdeeds the firearm may be associated with.
If I get a kmock on the door looking for a Mossberg 500 with my name on the 4473,I don't want to be in the position of telling the investigator "Well,I sold it to this guy....He paid cash...etc,etc....
So right now,I comply to take care of myself.
I believe with the UBC,my 4th Amendment ,5th Amendment,and 2nd Amendment protections will be severely compromised.
I just don't get offering up chunks of liberty to give away. Its not ours to give.It belongs to our Grandchildren.
In my state there is a UBC, no private sales. You have to use FFL's and they do the 4473 as well as a state background check that goes to the town PD where the FFL is located. That's an 8 day wait for the buyer before he can take possession.
There's nothing identifying the make/model of the gun on the state check other than it's class as a rifle, shotgun, or pistol as the state has a handgun license requirement. State law also prohibits registration of firearms.
That's it. IDK how many people have been prosecuted for evading the UBC here, I can't imagine its many as any private sales are probably done between family and close friends.
It's likely only a matter of time to where most states pass their own UBC. We saw in Connecticut and NY after Sandy Hook how few were willing to comply with registration, the same will happen on a nationwide scale if they attempted to put in a registration bill with a UBC.
It'll be the same with Big Joe and making AR's NFA items. There are so many millions of those rifles in the US that it's impossible to enforce.
Tennessee Gentleman
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TruthTellers said:In my state there is a UBC, no private sales. You have to use FFL's and they do the 4473 as well as a state background check that goes to the town PD where the FFL is located. That's an 8 day wait for the buyer before he can take possession.
I think you make the point. There is no way to enforce that law. People can sell weapons willy nilly and just say "Well I sold-bought it before the law was in place" or something like that. The only way to enforce it is to register all guns. Same for straw purchasing. That is what the antis are up to. They pass the UBC and then it doesn't work (which they knew it wouldn't) then that gives them impetus to pass more gun control. Their theory is that once they get the inertia going then they will be difficult to stop.
TruthTellers said:It'll be the same with Big Joe and making AR's NFA items. There are so many millions of those rifles in the US that it's impossible to enforce.
Well, it'll be just like owning a non-registered full auto. People who don't like you will turn you in. If you take it to the range, you might be asked to show your NFA registration...by a cop who was called by others at the range. Further, you'll then be a felon and unable to own guns at all. See how it works? Lose Georgia and we'll see.
They've already said what they're going to do, tax/register the guns and magazines you already have, drive the manufacturers out of business with lawsuits, and buy back programs for guns you can't afford to own or shoot.
It's an urban legend that they will come to your house and confiscate your guns, they've never done that large scale anywhere or anytime.
You'll turn your guns over to them without a single shot being fired.
Get used to the idea, you might want to sell them now while there still worth something.
I don't mean to sound completely negative it's just the hard truth.
If your of average means you'll still be able own a few guns, probably single shots and bolt guns in non-military calibers, the rest are history in liberal utopia. If your wealthy or a politician your likely be able to own anything you want but it'll be expensive.
And I'll reiterate this again, gun people in general follow the laws, when your government tells you to register and pay a tax on your existing guns the vast majority of you will, all the big talk about resisting is just that, big talk.
It's not a question of if it's when.
It's an urban legend that they will come to your house and confiscate your guns, they've never done that large scale anywhere or anytime.
You'll turn your guns over to them without a single shot being fired.
Get used to the idea, you might want to sell them now while there still worth something.
I don't mean to sound completely negative it's just the hard truth.
If your of average means you'll still be able own a few guns, probably single shots and bolt guns in non-military calibers, the rest are history in liberal utopia. If your wealthy or a politician your likely be able to own anything you want but it'll be expensive.
And I'll reiterate this again, gun people in general follow the laws, when your government tells you to register and pay a tax on your existing guns the vast majority of you will, all the big talk about resisting is just that, big talk.
It's not a question of if it's when.
Carriertxv
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Just look around the world at what “swallowing one new gun control law”has lead to. The progressives are wanting one thing and one thing only to take ALL guns away. If the progressives get control of your senate you 2nd is in real danger which is what the progressive communists have wanted for so long.
It happened to us up here in Canada and we don’t have a 2nd only the USA has it in the whole world.it’s the only thing that has stood in the way of total gun confiscation like is happening everywhere else.
If the Liberal progressives get a majority in the next election up here we will be lucky to have muskets.
Do not accept and fight any new gun control laws.
It happened to us up here in Canada and we don’t have a 2nd only the USA has it in the whole world.it’s the only thing that has stood in the way of total gun confiscation like is happening everywhere else.
If the Liberal progressives get a majority in the next election up here we will be lucky to have muskets.
Do not accept and fight any new gun control laws.
Tennessee Gentleman
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I did find it interesting that the President-Elect (name withheld) said that he cannot get rid of so-called assault weapons by executive order. But what about the NFA deal? That is making all semi-autos that look military fall under that act. Administrative or requires legislation?
Administrative or requires legislation?
Adding semi-automatic firearms to the NFA would entail changing the NFA, and that requires the legislature. Of course, reclassifying bump-stocks as machine guns also required that, but the current administration got away with it. I worry that Biden will try to work under that precedent.
That said, such a move would definitely trigger review from SCOTUS. I've long wanted a thorough examination on the constitutionality of executive orders, and this might be the case to make that happen.
I'm starting at where it counts and expand outward. Last night I sat down and started reading The Second Amendment Primer by Les Adams to my 12 year old. I brought her to the range for the first time around Thanksgiving and let her shoot a bolt action .22lr. She had fun. If every gun owner made sure their family and friends knew the 2nd Amendment, the love of the Sport, and the Shooting Community, our problems would be less in the long run.
Carl the Floor Walker
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Big Talk? You under estimate the real American people. And to top it off, many of us are quite aware of the Terrorism that has been done throughout the Country. Around 2 billion dollars.They've already said what they're going to do, tax/register the guns and magazines you already have, drive the manufacturers out of business with lawsuits, and buy back programs for guns you can't afford to own or shoot.
It's an urban legend that they will come to your house and confiscate your guns, they've never done that large scale anywhere or anytime.
You'll turn your guns over to them without a single shot being fired.
Get used to the idea, you might want to sell them now while there still worth something.
I don't mean to sound completely negative it's just the hard truth.
If your of average means you'll still be able own a few guns, probably single shots and bolt guns in non-military calibers, the rest are history in liberal utopia. If your wealthy or a politician your likely be able to own anything you want but it'll be expensive.
And I'll reiterate this again, gun people in general follow the laws, when your government tells you to register and pay a tax on your existing guns the vast majority of you will, all the big talk about resisting is just that, big talk.
It's not a question of if it's when.
Who is going to confiscate them? Not any Military men I know are going to harm their own Country men for protecting the 2nd Amendment or any other parts of the Constitution. How about the Police. Lol, you mean the one's that have been defunded and spit on?
Oh, well maybe the Terrorist themselves will be used? Go for it. You can speak for yourself about caving in. But I will not let them take my guns period. They already have Pushed way too hard. Just a matter of time before the Giant awakes and there will be almighty hell to pay.
they win by you burying your guns or putting them in storage, either way you're not using them in any fashion. if you do use one in a justifiable shooting you will become a felon for the possession of the newly prohibited unregistered untaxed gun.Big Talk? You under estimate the real American people. And to top it off, many of us are quite aware of the Terrorism that has been done throughout the Country. Around 2 billion dollars.
Who is going to confiscate them? Not any Military men I know are going to harm their own Country men for protecting the 2nd Amendment or any other parts of the Constitution. How about the Police. Lol, you mean the one's that have been defunded and spit on?
Oh, well maybe the Terrorist themselves will be used? Go for it. You can speak for yourself about caving in. But I will not let them take my guns period. They already have Pushed way too hard. Just a matter of time before the Giant awakes and there will be almighty hell to pay.
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