Idiot open carries in my store

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Agreed. Open carry is ridiculous. I don't live in Tombstone, and I'm not a cowboy. Nor do I need to show people how tough I am wearing a gun they can see. Absurd.
What's absurd is your all or nothing attitude. We shooters have fought against opinions like yours for decades, the last thing we need are a bunch of anti's on the inside.

Not everyone thinks like you or has your particular set of needs. Get over yourself and please don't try to push your anti-agenda on others. Live and let live.
 
The argument that the OP is a hypocrite is invalid.
For example: It is not illegal to carry a chain saw anywhere (that I know of)
But if there was a guy hauling one around in Wal Mart, you can almost bet that someone will call the cops sooner or later.

Suspicious is suspicious and has very little to do with illegal or what your belief in the second amendment is.
It's more noticing something out of place.

The gun totin', drug carrying guy may not have been breaking any laws, but he was suspicious enough to get the attention of the OP.
 
Hmmm.... How to respond?

I understand that NY law prohibits open carry....and mostly ANY carry....

and I understand that you did the right thing. The guy was breaking the law, and you called it in. Good job on getting an armed criminal off the streets.

But the psyco comment was warranted by? What constitutes an "arsenal"?

I open carry pretty regularly. I also sometimes keep a second revolver loaded with snake shot in my vehicle, and at times an additional rifle behind the seat in a soft case. They each have their use, and none will ever by used by me to do criminal acts. Am I psycho? Am I carrying an "arsenal". Somehow I don't see it that way.

I can carry either concealed or openly here, and be perfectly legal either way. Concealed requires that I take a class, apply for a permit, and carry that permit with me. It's a "priviledge" that can be revoked by voiding the permit. Open carry here requires no permit, and even the LEO's here are used to it. I've been mostly open carrying most of my life, and have never had an issue.

Many others here do the same thing, with the same results.

Agreed. Open carry is ridiculous. I don't live in Tombstone, and I'm not a cowboy. Nor do I need to show people how tough I am wearing a gun they can see. Absurd.

Why is open carry rediculous? The only thing rediculous is your statement. You must be fairly new with firearms, or you'd remember times when most states didn't issue concealed permits, and open carry was the only option for most people in most states. BTW-I carried back then, too. No permit, and open carry without a permit is still legal and accepted here. The "shall-issue" laws enacted by most states now didn't come along until after the Brady law requiring background checks and such went into place in the early-mid 1990's.

I don't live in Tombstone either. I live about 20 miles from Tombstone, and some might consider me to be a "cowboy", although not of the wannabee Tombstone variety that wouldn't know either end of a horse from a hole in the ground. Open carrying isn't to show anyone "how tough you are". It just isn't so. If that's what you think, then I, for one, question your own reasons for having guns. Not your right to have them, ese, but just the reasons you choose to do so. It doesn't make you any tougher, or weaker than you are otherwise.

You saddle a bronc you can't ride, it's likely to hurt you, armed or not.

I worked construction for a lot of years; my brother and I still own a construction company that does minimal business these days because of other irons in the fire. Years ago my tool belt included screwdrivers, a hammer, a couple pairs of pliers, a pencil, speed square, tape measure, chalk line, and whatever else I might have needed for the day. I never felt a need to hide any of it, and it was far more comfortable to carry it all in a fully displayed "holster", while also giving me better access to the tools when I needed them.

A firearm is a tool, just like the hammer, scewdrivers, etc. If you want to hide your's, then that's your choice. There are times I'd rather hide mine, too (in banks and such). Open carry is just another way to carry a firearm; it can be a lot more comfortable for every day carry, and can also allow for quicker access if it's needed. I also carry a Leatherman Wave, and a cell phone on my belt. Those are the "tools" I might need throughout the day, and they each have their own uses.

I see nothing rediculous about it.

Daryl
 
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What's absurd is your all or nothing attitude. We shooters have fought against opinions like yours for decades, the last thing we need are a bunch of anti's on the inside.

Not everyone thinks like you or has your particular set of needs. Get over yourself and please don't try to push your anti-agenda on others. Live and let live.

What's the deal pal? Your opinion (that's all it is you know) is the only one worth a damn? Time for you and your righteous indignation to get over yourself. And while you're at it, quit trying to push your agenda on me.

Way too many open carry tough guys here.
 
For instance things such as abortion. taxes, drivers license, property rights, military service, jury duty, school attendance, gambling, drugs, marriage, gay rights, race etc.

Absolutely 100%. America has alot of laws that many people will not agree with. Most of the things above, however, are not protected specifically with a constitutional amendment. In that manner, you can not agree with it but still have to abide by it. In the case of carrying a firearm... well "shall not be infringed" says it pretty plainly. As I said, though. I will not willfully break any laws... I'd rather vote with my feet ;) (which I will do soon if NC gets any worse)
 
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I amended my above post PT. I should've said MOST listed above are not constitutionaly protected. Taxes are actually. Case of me not reading before I spoke :D
 
L Killkenny, I'm far from a hypocrite. Far my friend. I'm not opposed to the idea of open carry being legal and I don't have anything against anyone that does. I personally would always prefer to carry concealed, but that's irrelevent. It didn't matter what my personal beliefs are and for a moment I did hope that I didn't ruin a person's life who may have made a mistake. The point is open carry IS illegal in New York State and he WAS open carrying in MY store, where I was working as security. What kind of security professional would notice a person illegally carrying a weapon on their clock and not call it in? Not this one. Perhaps your security practices are different than mine. Also, if I was off duty and noticed the same situation in a place I don't work at, it's likely I would have raised an eyebrow but not have made the call.
Daryl, I don't know why the cop called him a psycho or deemed his weapons an arsenal. I wasn't there for the stop, but he meant it when he said it! For all I know the guy had his copy of Mein Kamf next to a minigun and a mortar launcher (one was turned in at our last gun buy back program!)
 
to a minigun and a mortar launcher (one was turned in at our last gun buy back program!)

If you're talking about a mortar TUBE being turned in at the last buy back, then NY got duped. Almost all of us, even in NY, can still buy de-milled mortar tubes from C&R sights for not a whole lot of money. Good luck finding ammo for them though. In no way would I classify a mortar tube as a firearm, since the only probable way of obtaining ammo would be to steal it from a military base. Not unless re-loaders have figured out how to "roll their own" 81mm rounds ;). I don't know if that was your intent, but I wouldn't make a habit out of using the "OMG, he had a MORTAR LAUNCHER!!! What is up with America's gun culture?" as an anti-2nd debate. Charlton Heston had several M2 brownings, but he never killed anyone with them either. He was a connoisseur. If I had his money, I would have a couple of ma dueces' myself.
 
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