2cooltoolz
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I do not trust myself to clean my empty guns after a beer, but I am a lightweight
The world needs more lightweights, then!!
Idiot open carries in my store
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The world needs more lightweights, then!!
cougar gt-e
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You done good.
Where I live adding drugs or guns to a felony adds 5 years (theoretically) to your sentence... add both and well, say hi to the folks in Walla Walla Super Max for me okay?
Good job. As a sentry one of your primary duties is to inform superiors (or official LEOs in your case) of perceived threats. God knows what gym/church/nursing home/community center this guy may have had on is list after picking up a new track suit/trenchcoat...
Good job. As a sentry one of your primary duties is to inform superiors (or official LEOs in your case) of perceived threats. God knows what gym/church/nursing home/community center this guy may have had on is list after picking up a new track suit/trenchcoat...
I'm sure I will get flamed, but I used to live in NY (retired cop), and now live in PA, an open carry state. i NEVER see people OC'ing here, even though they can. I believe that MOST people recognize OC as just a way to get unwanted attention, and tip off the bad guys that you are armed. I'm sorry, but I just don't see any benefit to it. If you're at a shooting event, it makes sense. Now, someone is gonna jump in with "I don't want to wear an extra shirt to hide my Ruger Super Redhawk" or some other comment. Please! First of all, who really carries guns that big that you can't slip under a t-shirt? I can wear my Beretta 92 inside the waistband and cover the butt with a t-shirt. I never do, because it's too big to carry! That's why they make smaller guns.
In my opinion, most people who OC either do it on their private property (I can see a reason for that) or are just looking to make a statement.
Some states are ridiculous. You can OC in PA, but you don't have to even carry ID. So if a cop stops you and inquires about the weapon, you could be some guy just out of prison and legally barred from having the gun, yet he can't verify it. What's to stop someone from doing that?
In my opinion, most people who OC either do it on their private property (I can see a reason for that) or are just looking to make a statement.
Some states are ridiculous. You can OC in PA, but you don't have to even carry ID. So if a cop stops you and inquires about the weapon, you could be some guy just out of prison and legally barred from having the gun, yet he can't verify it. What's to stop someone from doing that?
bababooey32
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Here we go...........
jglsprings
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a bit off topic....
We have open carry here in Colorado (at least I think we do, I have a CC permit so I don't care). I was at the local liquor store one night for a bottle of wine and this guy waltzes in open carry. It caught the clerk by surprise and she blurted out "what are you doing with that in here??”
He then went on a 10 minute diatribe on his rights and state laws and she couldn't stop him and how stupid she was blah, blah, blah...... So he finishes up with a cat ate the bird grin and the clerk replies "Maybe, but I can refuse service to anyone - get out."
Now the liquor store is posted "no firearms allowed".
He made his point. And now she has made hers.
We have open carry here in Colorado (at least I think we do, I have a CC permit so I don't care). I was at the local liquor store one night for a bottle of wine and this guy waltzes in open carry. It caught the clerk by surprise and she blurted out "what are you doing with that in here??”
He then went on a 10 minute diatribe on his rights and state laws and she couldn't stop him and how stupid she was blah, blah, blah...... So he finishes up with a cat ate the bird grin and the clerk replies "Maybe, but I can refuse service to anyone - get out."
Now the liquor store is posted "no firearms allowed".
He made his point. And now she has made hers.
Given that open carry is illegal in NY, it might also be 1) irrelevant and 2) baiting. I don't think the OC'rs are advocating doing so where illegal to any greater extent than people on this forum advocate carrying at all, where illegal.
As to the OP, criminals are like people: they are either intelligent, fundamentally stupid, lack common sense, or some combination of the above.
Wow, where do I start... I guess with this...
First, I do not condone, nor will I, break any current law on the books that I can't afford to pursue an "unconstitutional" defense to. That will pretty much be 0 laws that I break. Even if you disagree with your state law, you abide by it. If you feel that strongly, vote with your feet or muster up the money to challenge it. In the case of NY and any gun law, you'd be better off voting with your feet.
OTOH... I may would be inclined to be so against a State law that I wouldn't report it. This may or may not would be the case. Yes, you did catch an emboldened outlaw... but you could've also caught a guy who had a stupid attack on his way back from the range, who otherwise had no other form of criminal record or intentions. While I'm sure the police wouldn't have given him a hard time for having a stupid attack, I do think he would've had his constitutional rights taken away in the future because he would be convicted with a firearm charge.
So what am I saying? You did the right thing. I don't know how I would've reacted differently. There is a roll of the dice there. You take a chance of depriving someone of their rights if they were just being stupid if you report it, or you take the chance of letting the criminal go free if you don't report it. You did do the right thing, but I wanted to express my reservation to asinine laws.
THAT BEING SAID, I DO NOT CONDONE BREAKING EVEN ASININE LAWS. IF YOU FEEL THAT STRONGLY, VOTE WITH YOUR FEET!!!
First, I do not condone, nor will I, break any current law on the books that I can't afford to pursue an "unconstitutional" defense to. That will pretty much be 0 laws that I break. Even if you disagree with your state law, you abide by it. If you feel that strongly, vote with your feet or muster up the money to challenge it. In the case of NY and any gun law, you'd be better off voting with your feet.
OTOH... I may would be inclined to be so against a State law that I wouldn't report it. This may or may not would be the case. Yes, you did catch an emboldened outlaw... but you could've also caught a guy who had a stupid attack on his way back from the range, who otherwise had no other form of criminal record or intentions. While I'm sure the police wouldn't have given him a hard time for having a stupid attack
, I do think he would've had his constitutional rights taken away in the future because he would be convicted with a firearm charge.So what am I saying? You did the right thing. I don't know how I would've reacted differently. There is a roll of the dice there. You take a chance of depriving someone of their rights if they were just being stupid if you report it, or you take the chance of letting the criminal go free if you don't report it. You did do the right thing, but I wanted to express my reservation to asinine laws.
THAT BEING SAID, I DO NOT CONDONE BREAKING EVEN ASININE LAWS. IF YOU FEEL THAT STRONGLY, VOTE WITH YOUR FEET!!!
Pietro Beretta
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I hate to be this guy, but I suppose im going to open my big mouth.
Dont get me wrong, im glad this guy is off the streets. People like that guy give responsible gun owners a bad name :barf:
...However when someone says:
Sometimes I think about the Disctrict of Columbia handgun ban, I cant help thinking that civilians obeying the law above all else had something to do with it being a law for 30 years, and still very discriminatory ( thankfully the federal apeals court, and supreme court [Heller v. D.C. ] held the 2nd amendment is not limited to militia)
Thats All I Am Going To Say.
Dont get me wrong, im glad this guy is off the streets. People like that guy give responsible gun owners a bad name :barf:
...However when someone says:
It makes me cringe. I keep a small copy of the constitution in my room, I read over it often; I feel that big government has already over stepped its authority long ago.
Sometimes I think about the Disctrict of Columbia handgun ban, I cant help thinking that civilians obeying the law above all else had something to do with it being a law for 30 years, and still very discriminatory ( thankfully the federal apeals court, and supreme court [Heller v. D.C. ] held the 2nd amendment is not limited to militia)
Thats All I Am Going To Say.
Pietro Beretta
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Its a Private Business, if she doesn't want guns on the property thats her right or the owner of the business's right.
KC AutoBob
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Open Carry? My $.02 -worth it or not...
Very interesting story!
Well, being as I'm here in Kalifornia, just up the road from Pietro Beretta's haunts, I gotta say I can (#1) remember when the Black Panthers were bopping around very publicly (in the news) with shotguns, etc., openly displayed in the CA Bay Area. Obviously they were into making a statement!
Now, I can also (#2) very vividly recall walking into a very large sporting goods store in Phoenix, AZ and being somewhat taken aback by the fact that every store employee visible was, starting with the two guys out front on a smoke break, openly carrying (all 1911's as I recall--like maybe, store issue?). I recall thinking that the only exception was the cute blond behind the register--and she probably had something bigger and badder under the counter! That was a statement too--you'd have to be crazy/suicidal to try and hold up that place!
(P.S.
pen carry in AZ was/is legal.)
Hey, I'm with you guys when it comes to choice of open/concealed carry!
Why on God's Green Earth would I want some psycho/bad guy to know that I should be his first target in a crowd, by carrying unconcealed? Unless EVERYBODY is carrying unconcealed....CCW makes sense, no?
Very interesting story!
Well, being as I'm here in Kalifornia, just up the road from Pietro Beretta's haunts, I gotta say I can (#1) remember when the Black Panthers were bopping around very publicly (in the news) with shotguns, etc., openly displayed in the CA Bay Area. Obviously they were into making a statement!
Now, I can also (#2) very vividly recall walking into a very large sporting goods store in Phoenix, AZ and being somewhat taken aback by the fact that every store employee visible was, starting with the two guys out front on a smoke break, openly carrying (all 1911's as I recall--like maybe, store issue?). I recall thinking that the only exception was the cute blond behind the register--and she probably had something bigger and badder under the counter! That was a statement too--you'd have to be crazy/suicidal to try and hold up that place!
(P.S.
pen carry in AZ was/is legal.)Hey, I'm with you guys when it comes to choice of open/concealed carry!
Why on God's Green Earth would I want some psycho/bad guy to know that I should be his first target in a crowd, by carrying unconcealed? Unless EVERYBODY is carrying unconcealed....CCW makes sense, no?
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...L_Killkenny
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Seems I may not be the only one that believes what I'm gonna state......
"If" the guys was truly nuts, having him off the streets is good. I'm not about to take the word of an LEO I don't know. This is not a knock on LEO's but there is more that a handful (small percentage) that think any civilian with a gun is bad. I have no idea what side of the fence the LEO in this case falls on. So I withhold judgement on the LEO and the suspect.
But back to my point: Do you believe that OP carry should be legal and that to ban such is a violation of constitutional rights?
If so, you calling the cops was hypocritical. If someone is doing something I think should be legal the last thing I'm gonna do is turn em in. If I think they are wrong and it's illegal I'll drop a dime in a heartbeat.
Lets' say the Government makes it illegal to shoot a gun anytime even on your own propety on a rural farm. You see a land owner plinkin cans with his son. You gonna turn him in?
You just enabled the Government to remove someone of their rights. Good Job.
LK
"If" the guys was truly nuts, having him off the streets is good. I'm not about to take the word of an LEO I don't know. This is not a knock on LEO's but there is more that a handful (small percentage) that think any civilian with a gun is bad. I have no idea what side of the fence the LEO in this case falls on. So I withhold judgement on the LEO and the suspect.
But back to my point: Do you believe that OP carry should be legal and that to ban such is a violation of constitutional rights?
If so, you calling the cops was hypocritical. If someone is doing something I think should be legal the last thing I'm gonna do is turn em in. If I think they are wrong and it's illegal I'll drop a dime in a heartbeat.
Lets' say the Government makes it illegal to shoot a gun anytime even on your own propety on a rural farm. You see a land owner plinkin cans with his son. You gonna turn him in?
You just enabled the Government to remove someone of their rights. Good Job.
LK
L_Killkenny - I cannot argue with your points at all as what you have said is absolutely correct in that if you truly believe that OC is a constitutional right and call the sops on him then you are a hypocrit. The point becomes that I completely understand about 2A and the beliefs in that but do we apply those same beliefs to other rights and laws. Can we choose to disobey some laws such as those concerning 2A but then force others to obey laws that they may not believe in.
For instance things such as abortion. taxes, drivers license, property rights, military service, jury duty, school attendance, gambling, drugs, marriage, gay rights, race etc.
All of these things involve laws that also involve the conflict of the beliefs of some people. If we are to pick and choose which individual laws we want enforced then that is the definition of anarchy. Is that what we want. I hear the term jury nullification thrown around a lot for trials involving guns but is that truly what we want.
I follow excatly what you are saying but I have a hard time determining where to draw the line. For instance Plaxico Burress, Michael Vick and Donte Stallworth. Which if any were guilty of anything.
For instance things such as abortion. taxes, drivers license, property rights, military service, jury duty, school attendance, gambling, drugs, marriage, gay rights, race etc.
All of these things involve laws that also involve the conflict of the beliefs of some people. If we are to pick and choose which individual laws we want enforced then that is the definition of anarchy. Is that what we want. I hear the term jury nullification thrown around a lot for trials involving guns but is that truly what we want.
I follow excatly what you are saying but I have a hard time determining where to draw the line. For instance Plaxico Burress, Michael Vick and Donte Stallworth. Which if any were guilty of anything.
L_Killkenny
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Calling the police is not the same as choosing to break laws yourself or jury nullification. When you are sitting on a jury your primary job is to determine whether or not a law was broke. That's your job and you have to do it. Court rooms are not a place for politics by Jury's or Attorneys and in most cases not for judges either.
Take my example. I may not choose to be the guy shooting his gun on his property (who am I kiddin, I would!) but for me to call the police is as stated, hypocritical. But if I'm on a jury or an LEO for that matter my job is not to interrupt the law but to enforce. So if I'm sitting on a jury I'd have to vote to convict, most times. Jury nullification is a tool that should be used but used sparingly.
I do see what you are saying. I do believe we need to have laws and they should be enforced. But to believe something should be legal and then drop a dime....well.........
Now on the other hand if the OP believes that OC should be illegal than I have no problem with him making the call. I may not like his belief about OC but he'd not be a hypocrite.
LK
Take my example. I may not choose to be the guy shooting his gun on his property (who am I kiddin, I would!) but for me to call the police is as stated, hypocritical. But if I'm on a jury or an LEO for that matter my job is not to interrupt the law but to enforce. So if I'm sitting on a jury I'd have to vote to convict, most times. Jury nullification is a tool that should be used but used sparingly.
I do see what you are saying. I do believe we need to have laws and they should be enforced. But to believe something should be legal and then drop a dime....well.........
Now on the other hand if the OP believes that OC should be illegal than I have no problem with him making the call. I may not like his belief about OC but he'd not be a hypocrite.
LK
Sturmgewehre
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Saying there's no point to open carry is really kind of silly.
Not everyone carries a gun to "get the jump" on bad guys. Some folks are going to the desert for a weekend with friends and family and are bringing a pistol along. It's 100" degrees outside and they're either not wearing a shirt or they're wearing something like a tank top. Who cares if they have a full size 1911 or 8" barreled .44 Mag on their hip?
If your primary reason for carrying a handgun is to get the jump on the bad guy, then by all means hide your weapon. But if you're just out to have a good time and are running around town in preparation for that good time (camping, fishing, shooting, off-roading, etc.) who cares if your pistol is in plain sight? Not everyone is worried about getting jumped by gangs in their little towns, I know I'm not.
Not everyone carries a gun to "get the jump" on bad guys. Some folks are going to the desert for a weekend with friends and family and are bringing a pistol along. It's 100" degrees outside and they're either not wearing a shirt or they're wearing something like a tank top. Who cares if they have a full size 1911 or 8" barreled .44 Mag on their hip?
If your primary reason for carrying a handgun is to get the jump on the bad guy, then by all means hide your weapon. But if you're just out to have a good time and are running around town in preparation for that good time (camping, fishing, shooting, off-roading, etc.) who cares if your pistol is in plain sight? Not everyone is worried about getting jumped by gangs in their little towns, I know I'm not.
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