If you want to know why liberals are successfully taking over the country it's because they never break ranks and attack or even criticize each other, on the other hand conservatives will at the drop of a hat, they demand perfection from everyone to the point they would rather lose the fight than not have 100% faultlessness' .
I was shocked to learn.............
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TruthTellers
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Yeah, cuz the NRA is really winning that fight, ain't they?
It's not that gun owners are breaking ranks, we're just realizing that the NRA has taken us for a ride and people are collectively done and want nothing to do with them anymore. The very initials are toxic, it's time for a change.
Enough is enough.
Aguila Blanca
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Do you have any thoughts on how that might be accomplished? LaPierre and his cronies succeeded in revising the by-laws several years ago in a way that effectively prevents members at large from proposing changes. Over the past two years, a number of board members who are respected members of the firearms community have resigned from the board. I don't think any of them have stated for public record their reasons for resigning, but we can surmise that it's because once on the board they discovered too much dirty laundry to be tolerated.Double K said:
You may have encountered the expression, "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem." Did you know that for boards of directors that's a legal principle? I discovered this by accident many years ago when I found myself chosen as the new chair of my town's planning and zoning commission when the long-time chair (an attorney) stepped down. One of the things I found troubling was that our minutes didn't record who voted which way.
When I took over, the commission was facing three separate lawsuits, all dating to before I was appointed to the commission. One of the things I learned from following the legal proceedings was (at least in my state -- your state may differ) that members of boards and commissions that act improperly may be held personally liable for the improper acts of the board or commission ... unless they voted against the improper acts. So I insisted that the administrative staff person who took our minutes start recording who voted which way. Abstentions were not protection -- you have to vote against the improper act.
So my guess is that people like Pete Brownell resigned from the board because they realized they couldn't fix the problem, and they didn't want to get dragged down when the lawsuits hit.
If you have viable solutions for fixing the NRA outside of the public eye, please share them.
Wayne La Pierre and the NRA board silenced the voice of the NRA membership. The NRA leadership went about systematically enriching themselves and politicizing the organization. The only way NRA members can receive an accounting is by airing the dirty laundry in public.
Sometime this year the New York attorney general will announce the results of her investigation into the NRA tax exempt status. Members of the NRA board could be charged with misfeasance, malfeasance or non-feasance. The organization could be dissolved.
The NRA leadership and the board have rendered the organization ineffective, irrelevant and close to bankruptcy.
OneFreeTexan
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Is bump stocks the only thing that matters?
dogtown tom
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First, what the NRA pays Wayne LaPierre has been public knowledge FOR DECADES.
Second, that you don't understand why the NRA begs for money explains everything. Absolutely ZERO dollars raised by the NRA ILA goes to LaPierre.....its used for lobbying and political action.
Third, If you don't aren't aware of the NRA accomplishment in the last twenty years it saddens me.
And not worth a penny.
Until only recently, GOA didn't spend on political lobbying....letting the NRA ILA do the heavy lifting. It's easy to be "no compromise" when you don't really do jack squat.
I'm no fan of WLP, never have been.....but the NRA is the one the liberals fear for one reason, POWER. Power that the NRA has, that GOA has never had.
Incredible. As to "went where exactly".......look it up, its publicly available information.
You continue to show a complete lack of understanding of where NRA $$$ and NRA ILA $$$ are spent. How can you participate in a thread about the effectiveness of the NRA and not know the answer to your own question? That you think GOA is better pretty much ends the idea that you know much about how/where/when the NRA spends money.
Your GOA will show 'em, right?
Lack of contributions to the NRA ILA means no $$$$ going to political campaigns. That means Soros and Bloomberg are outspending the NRA. Now, whose fault is it that the NRA ILA has little in the bank? You can whine and cry BUT WAYNE IS BAD MAN!!!! all day long..but the fact is he is the CEO and the board is happy with him. He's old, he isn't going to be around forever and then we'll be happy. In the meantime the LaPierreaphobes are upset over the price of his suits....not understanding that the NRA ILA didn't pay for those suits.
You are so worried about the NRA failed promises, yet conveniently ignore the GOA's complete and utter lack of ANYTHING.
A five minute examination of the NRA 990 vs the GOA should be required reading.
TruthTellers
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When it comes to the GOA and the NRA, I'll tell you this: If the GOA got half of what the NRA does in donations, we'd see a massive shift in getting our gun rights back. It's impossible to do any lobbying when you're working with a million or two every year.
If you think that the NRA is going to stop the next AWB bill that comes next year if the wrong people get elected, you're a fool. If you think legal action and SCOTUS will grant cert to an AWB bill, you're wrong.
I'm not gonna argue, some are a lost cause who can't see the forest fire burning thru the trees.
If you think that the NRA is going to stop the next AWB bill that comes next year if the wrong people get elected, you're a fool. If you think legal action and SCOTUS will grant cert to an AWB bill, you're wrong.
I'm not gonna argue, some are a lost cause who can't see the forest fire burning thru the trees.
The NRA is hemorrhaging money on lawsuits. After a very long corrupt and cozy relationship with their advertising agency, Ackermann-McQueen, WLP fired that agency and sued same. WLP blessed the miserably failed NRA TV show and the ill advised insurance program that got the NRA sued.
Everything that the NRA owns is mortgaged to the hilt. Wells Fargo eliminated the NRA credit line.
WLP refuses to allow an audit of NRA finances. We know that WLP has spent 100 million dollars on lawsuits: He admitted that. When the NRA blew up in May, 2019 the organization was spending $100,000 daily on lawsuits.
There is this recording of WLP:
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/21/8399...-troubles-have-cost-the-organization-100-mill
For sure Soros and Bloomberg are bankrolling the anti-gunners. Where are those "conservative" billionaires when we need them?
Everything that the NRA owns is mortgaged to the hilt. Wells Fargo eliminated the NRA credit line.
WLP refuses to allow an audit of NRA finances. We know that WLP has spent 100 million dollars on lawsuits: He admitted that. When the NRA blew up in May, 2019 the organization was spending $100,000 daily on lawsuits.
There is this recording of WLP:
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/21/8399...-troubles-have-cost-the-organization-100-mill
For sure Soros and Bloomberg are bankrolling the anti-gunners. Where are those "conservative" billionaires when we need them?
dogtown tom
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And what is that fantasy based on? Certainly nothing in the past.
Well no kidding. VALUE FOR THE MONEY.....the NRA has it GOA doesn't. Most of GOA budget goes to Eric Pratt and his board and precious little to any program. Their IT $$$ go to a board members comapny...hows that for corrupt. Eric Pratt is no different than Wayne La Pierre....just less powerful.
"If I think"? I never wrote anything of the sort, but if YOU think the GOA will be better....then show us the proof. Show us where anytime in the past the GOA did anything beyond a strongly worded press release. Anything more than filing a friend of the court or piggybacking a lawsuit funded by someone else.
Hey, I know the NRA is a dumpster fire, but the answer isn't the GOA. Its the equivalent of trading your Ford Pinto for a Yugo.
The NRA is at fault. People don't want to donate money to a corrupt organization. Even though the NRA and the NRA-ILA are two separate entities, people see it as one lumped together. Right or wrong, that is human nature. I know full well that the NRA and the NRA-ILA are two, but can understand how people see them as one.
TruthTellers
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This is a good point. The ILA has been extremely successful at the state level for years with all the easing of hunting regulations and the explosion of states moving from shall issue CCW's to unlicensed so long as you are not a Prohibited Person.
I just revisited this thread and see that I was criticized for possibly erroneously referring to LaPierre's salary as being in the $6MM per year range. Well, this is the first thing that popped up on a search:
In 2015, NRA contributions totaled $95 million. In that year, LaPierre received a $3.7 million deferred compensation distribution from his "employee funded deferred compensation plan", which was required by federal law, and according to the NRA raised his total annual compensation to $5,110,985.
Now, reading on, you can find other references to salaries. This is a "total compensation" number. I doubt the average Joe can ever find out what he really rakes in, but is he worth it, whatever it is?
In 2015, NRA contributions totaled $95 million. In that year, LaPierre received a $3.7 million deferred compensation distribution from his "employee funded deferred compensation plan", which was required by federal law, and according to the NRA raised his total annual compensation to $5,110,985.
Now, reading on, you can find other references to salaries. This is a "total compensation" number. I doubt the average Joe can ever find out what he really rakes in, but is he worth it, whatever it is?
ammo.crafter
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NRA vs $$$
When La Pierre's time for retirement comes, has any one been picked to assume his role? If so, does any one know who that person might be?
When La Pierre's time for retirement comes, has any one been picked to assume his role? If so, does any one know who that person might be?
Aguila Blanca
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Whether you want to talk "salary" or "total compensation," it's still misleading to look at ONE YEAR when he took (and, in fact, had to take) a lump sum payout from some sort of deferred compensation fund and discuss it as if that's what he gets every year. From all I've read, it appears that his annual compensation package in normal years is around $2 million.the45er said:
Don't get me wrong. I think Wayne LaPierre has ruined the NRA and I believe that he is a liability and should be fired if he won't retire. That said, I don't think it's fair to portray his total compensation for one outlier year as if that's what he makes every year.
Several years ago I had a problem with the NRA. They had a deal on a 5 year membership.I sent them the money.
Soon,I got the pressure mail in the mailbox urging me to join the NRA.
I could not do my phone work from work. Initially,attempted phone calls got me a phone bank of young Beavis and Butthead types who only wanted my banking infoand could give no help.
I took vacation time,stayed home a relentlessly called till I got hold of someone.
Also,I had verified the NRA had cashed my check.
I made the offer that I did not need a magazine,I could read the Rifleman at a friends. I didn't need a hat,etc. I just wanted the money I spent to let me honestly say :I'm an NRA member.
No deal. The NRA official refused me the trust,and insisted he needed a photocopy of a cleared check.
More hours vacation time off work. I had to pay a fee at the bank.
Finally,I had the copy of the cleared check.
Then what happened is I saw a gun show bumper sticker that said "Don't trust a government that does not trust you"
I thought about how the NRA refused to trust me,at the expense only of a membership card. I thought about how much time it cost me,vacation time off work,and this was back when long distance calls were expensive.
I had the photocopy of the check in my hand,and an anger boiled up inside me...
And I was done with an organization that treated me that way.
One more thing.I wa a Junior NRA member back in the early 1960's.
The Aurora,Ill YMCA had an indoor 50 ft range where I shot.
My Colorado High school had an indoor range and rifle team. All that is gone.
Mostly what the NRA does is fill mail boxes with junk mail that says "Gimme Money"
It seems to me there is a certain balance held. If Cancer was cured,all that money and the jobs would go away. So,yes,they DO fight cancer.
And the NRA DOES fight to preserve gun rights.
But have they fought to get it RESOLVEd,the 2A is secure? Or,if it is always under threat,is it a dependable revenue stream?
IMO,its gone from a noble organization about preserving the 2A and shooting tradition to a beancounter money business that has lost its way.
Does LaPierre shoot ?
Soon,I got the pressure mail in the mailbox urging me to join the NRA.
I could not do my phone work from work. Initially,attempted phone calls got me a phone bank of young Beavis and Butthead types who only wanted my banking infoand could give no help.
I took vacation time,stayed home a relentlessly called till I got hold of someone.
Also,I had verified the NRA had cashed my check.
I made the offer that I did not need a magazine,I could read the Rifleman at a friends. I didn't need a hat,etc. I just wanted the money I spent to let me honestly say :I'm an NRA member.
No deal. The NRA official refused me the trust,and insisted he needed a photocopy of a cleared check.
More hours vacation time off work. I had to pay a fee at the bank.
Finally,I had the copy of the cleared check.
Then what happened is I saw a gun show bumper sticker that said "Don't trust a government that does not trust you"
I thought about how the NRA refused to trust me,at the expense only of a membership card. I thought about how much time it cost me,vacation time off work,and this was back when long distance calls were expensive.
I had the photocopy of the check in my hand,and an anger boiled up inside me...
And I was done with an organization that treated me that way.
One more thing.I wa a Junior NRA member back in the early 1960's.
The Aurora,Ill YMCA had an indoor 50 ft range where I shot.
My Colorado High school had an indoor range and rifle team. All that is gone.
Mostly what the NRA does is fill mail boxes with junk mail that says "Gimme Money"
It seems to me there is a certain balance held. If Cancer was cured,all that money and the jobs would go away. So,yes,they DO fight cancer.
And the NRA DOES fight to preserve gun rights.
But have they fought to get it RESOLVEd,the 2A is secure? Or,if it is always under threat,is it a dependable revenue stream?
IMO,its gone from a noble organization about preserving the 2A and shooting tradition to a beancounter money business that has lost its way.
Does LaPierre shoot ?
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I have a similar story HiBc
My Dad gave me a life membership when I turned 16. Several years later, I was one of the people that provided $$$ to start the Whittington Center.
Life moved on, I moved a couple time, got married and lost track of my NRA stuff. As I got settled, I decided that I wanted to re-connect with shooting and the NRA. I started searching for a way to reclaim my life membership.
I called the NRA, they told me they would look for it. Never heard a word. I called them back. They can't find it. Sorry.
I joined as an annual for one year, and then realized how foolish I was to be associated with them when they threw out my life membership, so screw them.
My Dad gave me a life membership when I turned 16. Several years later, I was one of the people that provided $$$ to start the Whittington Center.
Life moved on, I moved a couple time, got married and lost track of my NRA stuff. As I got settled, I decided that I wanted to re-connect with shooting and the NRA. I started searching for a way to reclaim my life membership.
I called the NRA, they told me they would look for it. Never heard a word. I called them back. They can't find it. Sorry.
I joined as an annual for one year, and then realized how foolish I was to be associated with them when they threw out my life membership, so screw them.
In 2014 or 2015, I re-joined as a five year member. Within a day or two of re-upping, the NRA had a real on life memberships and I telephoned to inquire if I could apply the five year credit card charge to the five year program, with a resounding "No".
Since my five year is either up or about to be, I've been pestered with multiple calls PER DAY to re-up. Ain't going to happen, unless the NRA becomes far more open that what they are. Want proof of the pudding? Just look at this thread! No one here truly knows and understands what is going on, except for what is released in the press. Further, the NRA seems reluctant to post any counter articles to what is being alleged.
Since my five year is either up or about to be, I've been pestered with multiple calls PER DAY to re-up. Ain't going to happen, unless the NRA becomes far more open that what they are. Want proof of the pudding? Just look at this thread! No one here truly knows and understands what is going on, except for what is released in the press. Further, the NRA seems reluctant to post any counter articles to what is being alleged.