I thought Democrats were...

Fremmer, I don't see anyone defending Jefferson...

He broke the law, he's now under indictment (after 2 years of investigation), and we'll see justice served.
 
Fremmer, I don't see anyone defending Jefferson
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Oh no? What we get here are a lot of excuses and arguments about how Jefferson's actions are routine and/or trivial:

They are all crooks
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That's the big time crime, not the chump change Jefferson got caught with.
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If Duke Cunningham or any other congressman takes bribes that cost us less than billions of dollars, it's less big but certainly fun to concentrate on.
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Hey, actions speak louder than words. The Democrats promised to end the culture of corruption. That promise has already been proven to be an empty promise by the freezer full of bribe money that was stuffed in Jefferson's freezer.

Nancy, where are all of the hearings to investigate Mr. Jefferson? You're holding hearing after hearing on global warming, but you don't have enough time to investigate bribery and corruption by a congressman? Or maybe the fact that Jefferson is a Democrat changes things....:rolleyes:
 
Those are not in defense of Jefferson. I repeat. Those are not in defense of Jefferson. If anything, they are in defense of the democratic party.

As for ending the culture of corruption, this investigation has been ongoing for 2 years. You would think you had a point if this occurred AFTER that, no? Maybe you thought that they said: "We will end the culture of corruption, but first, let me get into my time machine. . . ." ?
The Democrats promised to end the culture of corruption. That promise has already been proven to be an empty promise by the freezer full of bribe money that was stuffed in Jefferson's freezer.
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Well shoot, maybe you did think they have a time machine.

But let's look at what actually happened, no? When it was apparent that Jefferson had this hanging over his head and it was real (tapes, etc) he was pulled from the Ways and Means committee back in June 2006. Jefferson won re-election in 2006 while under investigation. Until there is an indictment, what do you do? You get out of the way and let the investigators do their job. The only hurdle in that was the searching of his office, and that was opposed by Hastert, even.

What action did the Democratic leaders not take that you think they should?
 
The Democrats have been the majority party for months now, so you can hardly blame Representative Hastert for allowing the majority to look the other way and ignore a violation of congressional ethics. An indictment is not required before congress investigates whether a congressman has been unethical.

I expect the leaders of the Democratic party to at least pretend that they really do want to end the "culture of corruption" by investigating Jefferson's actions. So they removed him from a committee; so what? A guy who had a bunch of bribe money stashed in his freezer is still a member in good standing of congress -- without any congressional investigation and hearings. If we can have hearing after hearing about global warming, it seems to me that we can squeeze in a couple about Jefferson's bribe money and corruption.

And no one has answered my question about why Senator Boxer has also not yet been investigated by the Senate. Then again, Boxer and Jefferson are both Democrats, and ethical standards for the majority party appear to have been, shall we say, drastically relaxed.
 
I nominate Fremmer to go to Washington and clean the place up if he has to nip at every ankle in the city. And report back here once the job is done and update our great-great-grandkids.

:p
 
I would give Pelosi a break. The Congressional Black Caucus would play the race card in a heartbeat, if everything didn't go according to their liking. Nature will take its course.
 
The Democrats have been the majority party for months now, so you can hardly blame Representative Hastert for allowing the majority to look the other way and ignore a violation of congressional ethics. An indictment is not required before congress investigates whether a congressman has been unethical.
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No, your timeline is messed.. It was Speaker Hastert that looked the other way when a minority member may have violated congressional ethics. He doesn't exist anymore in this congress.

I'm happy to see today's resolutions passed. Works for me as progress in the right direction. Looks like Jefferson is dead in the water, but until he is convicted, how far should/could you go?
 
Clinton Was Not That Bad !

With the jails filling up with Republicans for crooked deals, lying to Congress, and the list goes on and on.....makes old Clinton look not so bad....he lied about porking a princess.....I would have denied it too. :p

Of course, I have come to the realization men are made of clay but I am surprise how many saints will always sit in judgment. And so it goes....:D
 
To me it is not that it happened or that he lied about it that is the problem. He's a politician I expect him to lie. But that he lied so poorly about it.
I pay him a hefty salary so I want my money's worth in a lie. Maybe something with evil twins and aliens. I feel cheated not lied to.

Jefferson
 
The people to blame for Jefferson still being in office are the voters of his district. He stood for reelection after being caught red-handed with cash in his freezer, and against the active opposition of the Louisiana and National Democratic Party. The voters reelected him, and the Congressional Dems have been holding him at an embarrassed arm's length ever since. Maybe now they can finally get rid of him, though I shudder to think who might come out of that district next...

Edited to add: During the reign of Republicans in Congress, OTOH, such crooks were in positions of leadership up till the late unlamented elections...
 
Edited to add: During the reign of Republicans in Congress, OTOH, such crooks were in positions of leadership up till the late unlamented elections...
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You seem to want to imply that there was a GOP equivalent of Jefferson's case. I don't believe that is true.
 
You seem to want to imply that there was a GOP equivalent of Jefferson's case. I don't believe that is true.
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For the GOP scandals to be equivalent to Jefferson, they would have to be isolated, amateur, and affect relatively few people (mostly foreigners). The Congress under DeLay was a culture of corruption. Does the name Jack Abramoff mean anything to you? How about Duke Cunningham?
 
Redworm,

hey, at least the democrats are catching up to the republicans. now they just need a child molestor, someone to stick up for big oil and a little cronyism to round it out. maybe some justice department incompetence for flavor
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Either you turned 18 after the year 2000, or that's when they finally rescued you from that desert island. ;)

Anyone who sees charges of corruption leveled at one party and not the other and doesn't think "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss," is guilty of partisanship well over the line into naivety.
 
The difference between the two parties is that democrats want the corrupt guys out, Republicans want to protect their corrupt buddies.
 
Does the name Jack Abramoff mean anything to you
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Yeah, I think that it does. Didn't Harry Reid refuse to return a large campaign contribution that Reid received from Abramoff's clients? If so, why is Senator Reid still a senator? Isn't he part of the culture of corruption?

Oh yeah, I forgot: Reid is a Democrat. The ethical standard is relaxed for Democrats.
 
The difference between the two parties is that democrats want the corrupt guys out
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Even the corrupt Dems? Or just the non-corrupt ones?

Jeez. Rigid partisanthink like this is what got us into this situation. People keep saying things that make me think we deserve it.
 
Either you turned 18 after the year 2000, or that's when they finally rescued you from that desert island.

Anyone who sees charges of corruption leveled at one party and not the other and doesn't think "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss," is guilty of partisanship well over the line into naivety.
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Well I did turn 18 after the year 2000. Corruption is rife on both sides of the aisle, I just figure that with all the GOP lovers here hootin' and hollerin' every time a Democrat is caught with their hand in the cookie jar they need to be reminded once in a while that their favorite boys are holding up their halos with horns as well.

It was a joke so don't think I'm trying to excuse the actions listed in the OP but a little perspective is nice.
 
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