I need advice, and would love input.

Dolsak, that will depend on your state (some states have outright bans on firearms on school property; some allow permit holders to carry; some allow firearms for school functions (rifle team, etc) with permission of the principal).

You can look some of it up on http://handgunlaw.us

You can also try the findlaw website.

What I'd recommend is using either or both websites to determine what agency in your state handles weapons permits, and calling them to ask about the legality of a firearm in your scenario. And, of course, if it's legal, then get your principal's ok.

Edit: Again, I do recommend you also verify what the Master Chief told you with the regional JAG office.
 
Found this during my research the other night.

School Board of the City of Virginia Beach
Regulation 4-28.1

PERSONNEL

Firearms and Weapons
Unless specifically authorized by the Superintendent or designee, employees, agents and volunteers of the School Board may not possess or use firearms or weapons of any kind on School Board premises, school buses, or at any School Board sponsored function or extracurricular activity.
The provisions of this regulation shall not apply to persons who possess such weapon(s) or firearms as a part of the school’s curriculum or activities sponsored by the school or any organization permitted by the School Board to use its premises or a person possessing a knife customarily used for food preparation or service in the or any organization permitted by the School Board to use its premises or a person possessing a knife customarily used for food preparation or service in the performance of his/her duties and responsibilities and using it for such purpose as a hand tool.
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I THINK this means that I'd be able to do what I'm thinking of with proper prior planning and permission, (And a proper carrier for the event), but it's definitely something I'll ask about.

I agree with you about the JAG, however, and I plan to look into it.
 
Dolsak, I'm happy that you are taking this as seriously as you are, and that you are putting effort into getting it right.

I'm also happy that you seem to have figured out that I'm not trying to be an ogre. I sometimes forget that the internet doesn't convey non-verbal information, and so tone and intent can get lost - in those cases I often come across as much more gruff than I intend. I want you to succeed, but in a way that protects you, your peers, and your Captain.

I think you're also learning some useful administrative skills in this project, so that's a plus.

Regards,

M
 
On a completely separate note, if you continue to get the all-clear and go forward with the engraved 1911, bear in mind that engravers typically charge by the letter or image.

In other words, treat it like poetry; make every word count, and trim anything that is not on message or necessary. Same with images. Dual benefits: it will probably look better, and will cost less.
 
Dolsak, I am impressed. So far, so good. Keep looking and researching. The skill you develop in doing things like this (AND the Naval program you are in) will take you far.

Very impressed with your follow-up.
 
Guys this kid is here for HELP, save all the life lessons. He needs information not a mothers worry. I trust you can handle all the legal paperwork problems yourself Dolsak? Great! Now on to the interesting stuff...GUNS!

Ok straight up; What your hoping for is going to cost about $1200 at least. Springfield I think makes a factory SS and Black serration gun. I dont like the look IMO and I think your Captain is old school and would appreciate a standard M1911 look. Basically blue, with walnut grips. Full-size, .45APC (AKA the purist look) Skip all the bells and whistles.

My recommendation is a "American Classic" made 1911 You can probably find one online, or at a gunshop pre-owned for about $400-$500. Another company would be Rock Island for maybe $300-$400 pre-owned.

What I recommend personally are a set of Grips. If Captain is a 1911 man like you say, then the odds of him already owning some from the likes of Les Baer, Colt, Springfield etc. are very high. If thats the case, skip the 1911 idea completely and get him some CUSTOM grips:
REAL Ivory, engraved or with a emblem or Navy Crest, your name and fellow seamen, class numbers etc etc. You decide the design. That would be a sweet gift that will not break the bank. You would need about $500-$600 for the real ivory. Maybe $300 tops for the man made ivory. Or...if lemonade is not selling and nobody wants you to wash their car then a plane Jane faux ivory grip with a simple "To Captain so and so From Class so and so" would be only around $150.

The reason I think this option is best is because you will be getting him a TOP OF THE LINE set of custom grips instead of a inferior Brazilian made 1911. A far better gesture for the money.

As far as other options besides guns we would need to know what Capn's interests are outside the military. Maybe you and the boys can take him to Hooters and buy a big tray of wings?:D

Also what is your budget anyways, are there like 10 of you guys chipping in or are you doing this yourself?

Its really sweet of you, and I would like to know what happens so please keep us informed.
 
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Guys this kid is here for HELP, save all the life lessons. He needs information not a mothers worry.
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One of the things you'll notice about this forum, people here (most anyways) are also concerned with the legalities of issues. People have offered several suggestions and alternatives to help with the legalities he may have.

Dolsak seems to be a bright young man and a lot of us want to make sure what he is doing is not going to get him or his friends in trouble.
 
Yes uncle, thanks for worrying.

What legalities? If hes so bright you would think he would not be stupid enough to bring a firearm into a school and be like "Hey captain, look what I brought" -waves gun around- I think most of you feel this is the case.
I see no reason any law would be broken in having a BBQ somewhere to present the gift, away from prying eyes. With parents in attendance overseeing everything. The gun in a display box without the magazine, hell if your so afraid put a snap cap in it. Plug the barrel, or take it out entirely. A plastic fork would be more dangerous weapon than that terrifying gun. He cant buy the gun? So what get his dad to do it with his money. He cant bring it to school? Don't do it at school. His principal already said his Captain can receive gifts. What other legal issues have we not covered?

Also anyone but a fool would try to press charges. Your trying to stop a bright young man, who one day may join the military, from giving a commemorative pistol he bought with money he saved himself to give someone he looks up to who is also a ex naval officer? Yeah right good luck convincing people to see your side. The NRA lawyers would smash you in court, and the news channels will make you look like a fool.

Lets all get back on track, because I feel this thread is being hijacked and since no one is going to do it, I will be the one to steer it back in direction.

Stop disrespecting the kid hes almost of age and on the road to being a officer in the military. I had friends fighting in Afghanistan at age 17 already shooting and being shot at. A gun is only dangerous to those who fear and don't understand them.
 
Someone whos an avid shooter, doesnt want an airsoft gun. Hell just use it as a paperweight. Give him the grips..
 
Stop disrespecting the kid hes almost of age and on the road to being a officer in the military. I had friends fighting in Afghanistan at age 17 already shooting and being shot at. A gun is only dangerous to those who fear and don't understand them.
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Please show me the disrespect. What we have is concerns. I was in the military at 17 myself. As well as serving my country, I was also taught to follow rules, research questions and be accountable for my action and ask questions.

ChrisBob, you seem to want an argument and regardless of what I say, you'll take it the wrong way.

I am sorry you never had anyone give you advice, point out possible problems with things you want to do, or give you pointers on a better way to accomplish something. ;)
 
ChrisBobis, his principal doesn't have any authority with regard to the Navy side of things. Dolsak's Master Chief doesn't think there is an ethical issue, but Dolsak's best bet (which he is following through on) is verifying that with the Judge Advocate General's office.

Because, if the gift is not ok under ethical guidelines, it will get the Captain in trouble, not Dolsak.

And steering Dolsak toward where he can find out information about bringing the gun to school is hardly a bad idea. The principal might be fine with it, and not realize it's illegal under state (or county or city, in states that don't have preemption) laws or ordinances.

Or, it could be perfectly legal. If so, then Dolsak will get a straight answer from somebody with legal authority in the matter, and he can rest easy.
 
I'll call the Fire Department... Again.

I feel like half the time I start a thread it ends in flames. I dunno what I'm doing wrong. @_@

At any rate, ChrisBobis; the advice I've gotten is actually just about spot on what I was looking for, as well as what you suggested. I for one, have detected no disrespect, and even if I did, so what? I've not done anything to earn automatic respect yet. I feel like I'm one of the scant few teenagers at my school who understands that. :rolleyes:

At this early stage of planning this undertaking, I'm just absorbing as much input as I can to see if someone else spots something I missed, or has a different view about something.

Redundancies, failsafes, alternatives, and the like.

I'm still working on getting in touch with the JAG, and I don't really want to move too far along until I do.

As it is though, I still appreciate the input.

I'll find out if Captain already owns a 1911 tonight at our CommServe event.
 
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