I have lost all faith on the governemnt!

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"You say the war is not a big deal because of only 3000 troops are dead. What about the billions of dollars that is has cost? That money has come out of all our pockets that could have gone into education,."

The Army in peace time loses 3000 people or so to AWOL. No lives sent off to war are insignificant. It is a matter of perspective. Millions of soldiers died in WWII in about as much time as we have been in Iraq.

The US gov, has doubled spending on education during this administration.
The US spends more money in social welfare programs than all the Armed services combined. Fact is there needs to be more in the military ,less in entitlement BS. Education problems will not be solved by throwing money at them. The only way a student will learn is if he desires the education, too many take it for granted today. Myself included. I know that the public education sucks... it is that way because the students think it is social play time.

I sympathize for your loss. Not being critical of anyone, just giving you another human perspective:)
 
How many deaths will it take for the US to take a new approach? Why are we fighting this war? The troops are told it is to free the people of Iraq. Well, I don't know about any of you out there, but I don't give a damn about the people of Iraq and if they are free or not. Do you really think they care if we are free? First it was WMD, then terrorism, now for freedom. They sould more like excuses rather than reasons. My friends and family are out there dieing. I don't see W sending his daughters there or anyone else he holds dear, it is our loved ones who are taking the brunt and they don't even know why. I am just tired of excuses and hearing terms like "cut and run". We left Nam in ruins and I wouln't feel the slightest bit bad if we left that country in ruins. We have spent billions of our dollars that could have went to fighting a real enemy, like Iran or N Korea, countries that actually pose a threat to us.

The soldiers who do their job well end up in Camp Pendelton awaiting the death sentence. That is not right and sends out the wrong message to all soldiers and Marines. If you do what you are supposed to do, you will be put to death by your own country.


Sorry about the spelling and typing, but I was a little mad when I wrote this!
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Okay what is your solution for ending the war Irag?
 
Okay what is your solution for ending the war Iraq?
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I'm a lot more interested in looking beyond Iraq and toward N.Korea and Iran and what it's going to take to stabilize those regions.

The people who think Iraq is a "war" aren't EVEN going to like the choices we'll have to make in other parts of the world in the near future if the US is going to survive for our children and grandchildren.

Carter
 
The people who think Iraq is a "war" aren't EVEN going to like the choices we'll have to make in other parts of the world in the near future if the US is going to survive for our children and grandchildren.
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True perhaps but where do we get the troops to fight all the wars most young men do not want to enlist and don't even speak of the draft.

In my opinion we are in a mess, as a vietnam vet I know it tough to win the hearts and minds of people who don't want you there, yes, we need a new policy, if attack we respond with everything we have but once the battle is won exit and stop the idea of changing the world.:mad:
 
Desert Heat, I for one must disagree with you on your take on this effort, and at the same time, agree with a feeling that we are not getting the job done, as soon as we would like for it to be, but you have forgotten one thing that I think is an very important issue, which is this, “there isn’t one person in Iraq or Afghanistan that have been drafted into the Service of our Country”, they are all volunteers, and from what I hear for the most part, they are there by choice, and many have re-enlisted, to stay there and finish the job.

I respect your right to have a negative outlook on the situation, but until there is absolute proof, that we are there under false, or misleading pretences, I would temper my remarks to facts, not speculation, all the negative aspects from the population, will not accomplish anything except to embolden the enemy into thinking, they are winning the war against the infidels.
 
The US gov, has doubled spending on education during this administration.
The US spends more money in social welfare programs than all the Armed services combined. Fact is there needs to be more in the military ,less in entitlement BS. Education problems will not be solved by throwing money at them. The only way a student will learn is if he desires the education, too many take it for granted today. Myself included. I know that the public education sucks... it is that way because the students think it is social play time.
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And if this administration tells you that they solved the world hunger problem you'd believe them. If they told you to jump off a cliff you'd already be at the bottom. Don't believe everything that you're told because education in this country sucks and the government is not giving schools jack, they just make you think they do, I have worked in a school for 3 years.
 
Unless we can all start debating with a bit of substance (y'know, stuff like facts and sources), I'm going to close that as one major gripe session.
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The only question that needs to be asked in regards to Iraq is do we stay and finish the job that we comitted ourselves to, or do we leave and let the country crumble.
 
<Desert Heat, How so. The reason Usama started his fight agains the US is because US soldiers were in Saudi Arabia and that is not emotion, that is fact.

Yes, I am emotional about this issue, but if you lost people who are dear to you, then you'd know where I was coming from. I don't know, you may have. For all I know you could be the most decorated soldier on earth, but I know how I feel and I say what I think. If you don't like, too bad, we all have our little quirks, and I am not alone on this issue.

You know a lot of the things I am stating are facts. If you would like to engage in an intellegent conversation, and can mind my awful spelling, lets talk. What do you think about this issue? >

First off let me make this really clear to you, you are not the only person to loose loved ones in a conflict, and just for the record, I lost 58,913 of mine, because of the very aptitude you are expressing here.

You have never been taught, or if so, you do not remember, that our forefathers fought and died to give you and I, the freedoms and choices we exercise today.

The one freedom you are exercising today, was granted by these deaths and Patriots, that fought for the Freedoms we enjoy, and try to remember that no freedom will ever come without a fight and a lot of blood shed, and just for one instant try to put yourself in the shoes of the Iraqi’s that were under the Sadam regime, that were tortured, maimed, and killed by their benevolent leader.

Your rant serves no one, not even yourself, you are fired up about a personal loss and we all can understand that and if it makes you feel good to vent fine but you are not going to gain any kudos for this form of a rant.

If you have a point to make I suggest you think it over, compose it, and then post it, you may find that you are more credible and your point may be seen in a much different light, and above all do not assume, that you are the only person that had suffered a loss, in this conflict, or any other, for that matter.
 
My point is that who are we to determine who gets a democractic government? First off, at least the country was stable with Saddam. Second, we had no right to take him out because it was not our place to do so. Third, why should our soldiers die to free people on the other side of the world. Yes, they suffered great, but it is not our place to free them. Fourth, the govenment is not providing the leadership that it should be to show full support of our troops who are risking their lives and giving their lives. The soldiers in camp Pendelton are facing the death sentence for doing their job. If the gov. had any leadership the first thing it should do is to free those soldiers to show the others that they wont be punished for doing their job. Also, the billions of dollars that has been spent.

There you have it, my points. Like them or not, there they are. If you have a different point of view, well you are entitled it. I would never get on a person's case for their point of view and their thoughts. That what this country in founded upon like you so vehemntly stated, so if you really did believe in the true docotrun of founding fathers you'd respect my opinion rather than bash it.
 
"Don't believe everything that you're told because education in this country sucks and the government is not giving schools jack, they just make you think they do, I have worked in a school for 3 years."

So it's the Federal government's fault that, say, DC public schools spend MORE per pupil than any other school district in the nation, yet are widely regarded as one of the worst school systems around?

What you seem to be advocating is the VERY Democratic-Party principal that if you throw enough raw money at a problem it will get better without requiring any other intervention.

And if all of that money fails to solve the problem?

It's obvious.

You didn't throw enough money at it.


So, Mr. "I have worked in a school for 3 years..."

What:

1. Is your position in said schools?

2. Does your vast depth of experience in said schools tell you is the solution to school problems?
 
Here is another fact that should not be forgotten: Nobody was drafted. Every one of the military members who died there volunteered to be there or at very least voluntarily put themselves in a psoition that they knew may result in them being sent into a hostile environment. They had a sense of duty to their country, and to their fellow man that is apparently not shared by all who post here. The barage of "we shouldn't be there" and "it's none of our business" shows a total lack of respect for those people, their ideals, and their efforts. Anybody remember how the Viet Nam vets were treated?
 
Well, I am in the transition of going into EMS, but I am a TA and a computer network admin.

I have to do a lot a E-rate and other grant related issue. Since the No Child Left Behind Act was passed, our school has seen a lot less money. It sounds like a good thing, no child left behind, but in all actuality, the money does a roundabout. First, instead of just going to the school in the form of a grant or per head, the money has to be opporved. Once again sounds like a good thing, but it all determins on how many kids and teachers you have. My school is small. 350 kids, about 30 teachers. So, all the big schools get all the grants and money first, and then we get the leftovers because the Fed gives the state the money, a set amount, not very much. The program demands that teachers get a lot more training in areas that do not relate to their subject, at their expense. Then the program itself is so underfuned that it doesn't make one bit of sense. Why make all these demands and not pay for it.
 
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