Allen_Raiford
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Let S/W know how you feel anout this sellout.
ceo@smith-wesson.com
ceo@smith-wesson.com
I have bought my last S&W
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I wrote the CEO of Smith&Wesson yesterday. I thanked him for trashing the second amendment. I also told him that because of his decision to sell out to the Clinton/Gore regime, I would not even think of buying his product. Two fine gun companies have gone down the tubes today. Smith and Wesson, and Walther. To he!! with them!!!!!!!!
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BOYCOTT SMITH AND WESSON!!!!!
The only justice for a traitor is at the end of a rope!!!!
Off my meds (quit smoking), armed to the teeth, and loose on an unsuspecting society!!!
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BOYCOTT SMITH AND WESSON!!!!!
The only justice for a traitor is at the end of a rope!!!!
Off my meds (quit smoking), armed to the teeth, and loose on an unsuspecting society!!!
There will obviously be no consensus on whether SW has 'sold out' or has instead made a decision that will in some manner keep them viable in the civilian gun business. The market will decide; and I personally think the market for SW products will not change much until SW guns are made noncompetitive by the terms of this agreement. Those who boycott will be counterbalanced by those who buy now before the federally mandated changes take effect.
The real issue is what should legitimate gun owners do now? The short answer is get involved. Write the CEO of SW, but contact his counterparts at other manufacturers as well. As others have pointed out, there will be tremendous pressure on them to fall in line. Contact your legislative respresentatives at local, state, and national levels. Use your own words in a civil but uncompromising manner. Vote this fall, both at the ballot box and with your wallet for those who are uncompromising about the 2nd amendment. The national election is not just about who will be president, but who gets to determine what will certainly be several new supreme court justices; it's inevitable that a 2nd amendment case will come before the court in the near future.
I agree with the sense of many who have posted that this decision by SW will have ramifications far beyond the conciliatory words that are being spoken today. These rules will not impact the lawless (duh), will not control the lawless, and will therefore lead to even more restrictions.
The real issue is what should legitimate gun owners do now? The short answer is get involved. Write the CEO of SW, but contact his counterparts at other manufacturers as well. As others have pointed out, there will be tremendous pressure on them to fall in line. Contact your legislative respresentatives at local, state, and national levels. Use your own words in a civil but uncompromising manner. Vote this fall, both at the ballot box and with your wallet for those who are uncompromising about the 2nd amendment. The national election is not just about who will be president, but who gets to determine what will certainly be several new supreme court justices; it's inevitable that a 2nd amendment case will come before the court in the near future.
I agree with the sense of many who have posted that this decision by SW will have ramifications far beyond the conciliatory words that are being spoken today. These rules will not impact the lawless (duh), will not control the lawless, and will therefore lead to even more restrictions.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tom B:
Nuff said![/quote]
I agree...no S&W products of any sort in this house.
This agreement gave Klinton everything he wanted...and I suspect it was done with the concurance of the Republican leadership.
But, it's not done yet...public opinion can sway S&W back to the proper course (sans Ed Shultz, of course).
We want to get rid of any "Military/Law Enforcement" exemptions immediately. If it's dependable for law enforcement/military, it's not dependable for we civilians.
The real pisser is, we were starting to turn the tide...and this @&!!** lets us down.
Nuff said![/quote]
I agree...no S&W products of any sort in this house.
This agreement gave Klinton everything he wanted...and I suspect it was done with the concurance of the Republican leadership.
But, it's not done yet...public opinion can sway S&W back to the proper course (sans Ed Shultz, of course).
We want to get rid of any "Military/Law Enforcement" exemptions immediately. If it's dependable for law enforcement/military, it's not dependable for we civilians.
The real pisser is, we were starting to turn the tide...and this @&!!** lets us down.
I may be buying my first! I've never owned a S&W, not sure why, just never have. I see this as an opportunity to further my own bottom line a bit. The pre-bans are gonna be way more valuable than the post-bans. I'm thinking I may buy a couple NIB, stick in my safe for a few years, and see what happens. I can say with all certainty I will NEVER own a post-ban S&W, but there may be some money to be made in a pre-ban. If S&W is the only gunmaker to go this route, it will in time bankrupt them. Nobody will buy their "smart guns" if other gunmakers are still building the "dumb" ones. The pre-ban handgun should appreciate nicely.
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bullet placement is gun control
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bullet placement is gun control
To those who think S&W made a smart decision by getting a promise that the gov't won't sue them, consider the fact that S&W stated they WILL market "child resistant weapons" within 12 months. That is an admission that such a weapon are not only possible but that, given the short period from promise to production, have been readily available for production by S&W. The wrongful death/negligent design lawsuits from individuals are not only guaranteed but are guaranteed winners. S&W just cut their own throats, and by implication, the throats of most every gun manufacturer.
So, thank you, S&W, you not only **** yourself, you **** all of us.
So, thank you, S&W, you not only **** yourself, you **** all of us.
Boycotting S&W will do NO ONE any good. Think about it. Do you really want one LESS quality gun Manufacturer out there? HELL NO! We have to stand behind them and once people see that trigger locks don't actually reduce crime, they'll go after the companies for something else. It won't be long before S&W goes under anyways... is that what you want?... to speed it up? Their guns already cost too much, their smart guns turn you off, they're already unpopular with you guys who undoubtedly will spread the word that S&W SUCKS... even though they don't.
Think of the immense pressure they (and any other gun manufacturer) are under: Glock, Ruger, S&W, Beretta, etc. They were NOT required to supply the locks by law... they were pressured into it. Other companies will get bad press until they do the same. It's just that S&W is a HUGE name and it's one of the only ones that all anti's are familiar with. I'm not supporting this CAVING that they have done, but let's not let them go the way of COLT.
Unfortunately we don't have a loser pays system where "if you fail to prove wrong-doing on the part of the the defendent, the prosecuting side pays all legal expenses of the defense." Let's save our energy and put it towards getting rid of these frivolous lawsuits so that S&W CAN defend themselves and be paid to do so. Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot and speed up the DEATH of our own cause.
rather unpopular,
Ben
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Think of the immense pressure they (and any other gun manufacturer) are under: Glock, Ruger, S&W, Beretta, etc. They were NOT required to supply the locks by law... they were pressured into it. Other companies will get bad press until they do the same. It's just that S&W is a HUGE name and it's one of the only ones that all anti's are familiar with. I'm not supporting this CAVING that they have done, but let's not let them go the way of COLT.
Unfortunately we don't have a loser pays system where "if you fail to prove wrong-doing on the part of the the defendent, the prosecuting side pays all legal expenses of the defense." Let's save our energy and put it towards getting rid of these frivolous lawsuits so that S&W CAN defend themselves and be paid to do so. Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot and speed up the DEATH of our own cause.
rather unpopular,
Ben
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Almost Online IM: BenK911
ICQ # 53788523
"Gun Control Is Being Able To Hit Your Target"
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eagle-eyes
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S&W made a mistake caving into the feds.
If they fought the frivolous lawsuits and won, they should of been able to recover the costs. They are setting a bad precedence. But, given the reality of the situation...
I just went out and bought a SW99 (it was a toss up between that or a 625, both the same price) because the old models probably will not be available in the future and any that are left will be astronomical in price. I will not buy one of the new S&W's with all the so-called 'safety' devices that basically make it useless as a self-defense weapon.
I don't want to be in a position in 1-2 years having to decide between one of those so-called 'smart guns'(sure to be a lot higher in price) or trying to find a pre-smart gun model for several thousand.
(thinking, why didn't I buy that SW99 for $579 when I had the chance)
If they fought the frivolous lawsuits and won, they should of been able to recover the costs. They are setting a bad precedence. But, given the reality of the situation...
I just went out and bought a SW99 (it was a toss up between that or a 625, both the same price) because the old models probably will not be available in the future and any that are left will be astronomical in price. I will not buy one of the new S&W's with all the so-called 'safety' devices that basically make it useless as a self-defense weapon.
I don't want to be in a position in 1-2 years having to decide between one of those so-called 'smart guns'(sure to be a lot higher in price) or trying to find a pre-smart gun model for several thousand.
(thinking, why didn't I buy that SW99 for $579 when I had the chance)
I expect virtually all of the gun companies that want to stay in business will follow Smith & Wesson in this matter. Really it was just a matter of which one would go first. This brings up the QUESTION: WILL YOU THEN BOYCOTT ALL THE GUN COMPANIES?
Some of you have declared that you'll get rid of your S&Ws because of this. When the other companies sign on to similar agreements, QUESTION: WILL YOU THEN GET RID OF ALL YOUR GUNS BECAUSE YOUR ARE ANGRY AT ALL THE GUN COMPANIES?
THIS IS A TIME FOR RATIONAL THINKING not "knee jerk reactions" that you will later regret. This is the time to BUY more guns, especially S&Ws as they will become future collectors items. The changes that are about to happen will make the ommission of the barrel pin and recessed cylinders look insignificant. We are witnessing the passing of an era in the gun business and their products.
Again, realize the fact that these companies are free to make choices. Those choices are based on profits that provide a sufficient return to capital. Anything other than that will guarantee their demise. The gun companies, one by one will be forced to make cold business decisions. We may not like the outcome but that is just business.
P.S., I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of nice, used S&Ws hit the market. So get mad at S&W and show them your contempt by selling your collection cheap. I'll be waiting for them!
Some of you have declared that you'll get rid of your S&Ws because of this. When the other companies sign on to similar agreements, QUESTION: WILL YOU THEN GET RID OF ALL YOUR GUNS BECAUSE YOUR ARE ANGRY AT ALL THE GUN COMPANIES?
THIS IS A TIME FOR RATIONAL THINKING not "knee jerk reactions" that you will later regret. This is the time to BUY more guns, especially S&Ws as they will become future collectors items. The changes that are about to happen will make the ommission of the barrel pin and recessed cylinders look insignificant. We are witnessing the passing of an era in the gun business and their products.
Again, realize the fact that these companies are free to make choices. Those choices are based on profits that provide a sufficient return to capital. Anything other than that will guarantee their demise. The gun companies, one by one will be forced to make cold business decisions. We may not like the outcome but that is just business.
P.S., I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of nice, used S&Ws hit the market. So get mad at S&W and show them your contempt by selling your collection cheap. I'll be waiting for them!
S&W sucks! They have sucked since they stopped making blued revolvers anyways.I'm not gonna support em. Do they really think they are going to "ensure the viability of the company" by pi**ing off thier customers. We could probably come up with some cool new acronyms as to what the letters S&W mean like Suckups & Wussies. ddt
AUTiger--Yes, I most certainly will boycott ALL manufacturers of "smart" guns. I refuse to do business with companies that treat me like an irresponsible idiot (the way our federal government does). I have enough guns to do everything that needs doing right now, and if I want more I will buy used "pre-2000" weapons. The government may blackmail S&W and others into manufacturing only "smart" guns but they are not going to intimidate me into buying them.
SteelesGunShop
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1. S&W is not in fact a US company any longer as it is owned by a British firm.
2. We all know how the British feel about firearms. Look at their history.
3. S&W sales have been off for years thanks to Glock and H&K and Sig Sauer. They are trying to get their name in the news and for being the "good guy". But in reality they are PART OF THE PROBLEM.
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2. We all know how the British feel about firearms. Look at their history.
3. S&W sales have been off for years thanks to Glock and H&K and Sig Sauer. They are trying to get their name in the news and for being the "good guy". But in reality they are PART OF THE PROBLEM.
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Exotic Weapons & Mary Kay make my day.
Buy Smith if you want,I will not.We the consumer can have the last word. Make no
mistake this government is going to put gun
makers out of business in this country.
The left wants only victims no winners.Vote,
write, send money, right now it is our only
hope.
If Smith/wesson thinks this is the end they
are wrong,the anti-gun people will never
stop because it is about control of the
people, not gun control.
mistake this government is going to put gun
makers out of business in this country.
The left wants only victims no winners.Vote,
write, send money, right now it is our only
hope.
If Smith/wesson thinks this is the end they
are wrong,the anti-gun people will never
stop because it is about control of the
people, not gun control.
I think the thing that pisses me off the most is that S&W went off and made their deal with the Feds instead of hanging tough with the rest of the gun manufacturers. The best bet for them (and us) is to operate collectively in the courts. Ben Franklin didn't say "well I might go under with the rest of you guys, so I'm going to cut a deal with the Brittish."
Gopher a 45
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For those of you who want to buy a new "pre-ban" S&W with the expectation it will appreciate, what makes you think that they'll still be legal for very long after "smart" guns come onto the market? In this political climate, there could easily, easily be a law passed to the effect that dumb guns are now dangerous, except in the hands of the police and military, of course. 
Legislation through extortion. I am physically sick.
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The cities are not going to drop their lawsuits anyway because its not about safety its about making money. Look how they are spending the tobacco money along with the states. They could care less about smart guns.Clinton could care less even about Gore. He is working on his legacy. Already a lost cause I'm afraid.
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"SteelesGunShop" made the most important point here. S&W is no longer a 100% "US" owned company. Anyone reading these posts who works for a company that is owned by the Brits knows just how much control they have over what the company does in this country. In one case I'm aquainted with, the British CEO of a large mfg corporation here in the states wanted employees to work on Thanksgiving saying he didn't understand why our citizens placed so much significance of that day and wanted the production to continue! Gobalization my butt! Anyway, I wished S&W had continued to fight the good fight and hung in there for another eight months until we were able to scour the Whitehouse. It will take a lot of elbow grease, however, and I hope this motivates not only the readers of this site to vote but to get everyone in their immediate circle to vote, as well. The Klintonistas will be pushing as much as possible between now and November. Thank God Congress is out of session in the Summer. Hopefully, we'll weather this storm but it won't happen without a groundswell of opposition but owners and non-owners alike!
Rome
Rome
Will you all join me in calling and faxing my local government reps EVERY DAY?
Will you do as I have done and send an E-mail to every person at hud? The link is available in previous posts to this topic.
Will you take pre-addressed post cards to the range, to the gun show, to the shop?
Will you fight for your freedoms?
The time is now...
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The Innocent shall not be disarmed for the sins of the guilty.
Will you do as I have done and send an E-mail to every person at hud? The link is available in previous posts to this topic.
Will you take pre-addressed post cards to the range, to the gun show, to the shop?
Will you fight for your freedoms?
The time is now...
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The Innocent shall not be disarmed for the sins of the guilty.
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