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I hear a lot of people who completely blame Democrats for bad gun law and say that Republicans are our only hope for our gun rights. I have to disagree and here is why. This is my opinion. I spent 20 years in the National Guard. I did not get in during a war...and I was not trying to avoid serving in a war. I have been a cop for sixteen years. To say the least I believe I have earned the right to carry a weapon especially with what the second amendment says about a well armed militia...or the part that most people leave out.

I do not agree with a lot of stupid gun legislation no matter who is the source...however I am tired of people giving the Republican party a pass so here is the truth as I see it. Our President, George W. Bush unlike myself joined or was placed through favors to his father in the Air National Guard in a time of war. At that time that was a good way to avoid service in Vietnam. He was placed ahead of hundreds of thousands of persons who applied to do the same and given the opportunity to serve in that relatively safe status while others were sent to serve and die in the war. He went AWOL while he was given this priviledge. Right now anyone who has been dishonorably discharged from the armed services is forbidden from owning a weapon. AWOL qualifies for dishonorable discharge. Because of who he was he was not disohoroably discharged as he should have been. He as the top Republican should not be able to own a gun. He has not earned that right.

The second Republican, the Vice President, Dick Cheyney was granted five deferrals to keep from being drafted to service during the Vietnam war. The only reason he has ever given is that he had "other priorities" at the time. I have friends and relatives that have friends and relatives whose names appear on the Wall in Washington that I am almost sure had "other priorities" at the time. A while back he proved to the nation that he has no business owning or handling a weapon when he shot a collegue in the face on a caged quail hunt. He has not earned the right to own or carry a gun.

Men such as these with this little princpal care no more about our gun rights than they do about sending the sons and daughters of regular Americans to war for the Corporate elite of this country and we should quit giving them a pass because they are supposed to be more favorable to our gun rights. After all it was W's father who passed the first assault weapon ban.
 
Cheers,

While you're at it - tell us about the Clinton "war" years and where HE went.

Next - talk about John Kerry and his three month deployment in a war zone and about his visits with the NVA in Paris. We all know about him tossing his medals over the fence at the White House - yet "they" hang on his wall in his office in D.C.

The Repubs. arent' squeeky clean, but they're not near as dirty as the Dems.

Just my humble opinion.

Not to start any p*ssing contests, but I've got a wingman and his front- seater on that wall. That does not give me any "chest beating" privilage, just a fact.

Gentle winds,
cr
 
I was not downing dodging the Vietnam war

anyone who could should have. It was a stupid war. We did not gain one thing besides 55,000 less of our young who could not avoid it. Bill Clinton at least was honorable about it. John Kerry not only went but killed for it while he was there and told the truth about it when he got back. That is honorable. None of the mentioned people has a good record on our gun rights. That is my point. Just because I am a gun owner and enthusiast I do not feel that I have to be an idiot about everything else. I will take a Bill Clinton or a John Kerry over the two I mentioned anyday. By the way does your service record to our beloved country add up to mine or even John Kerry's?
 
Marano - yours will be the minority opinion here, but I got your back. I didn't see anything in your post lauding Kerry or Clinton; just an observation about the two current top people in our government that have no problem sending others to do the hard work - again. I served in the late 60s and know from where you speak. Thanks to the people that actually served and preserved our rights, we can respectfully disagree on this forum.
 
Marano - The only beef I have with your post is regarding Cheney:
He has not earned the right to own or carry a gun.
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While you may want to change that to "deserve", he certainly has the right.
 
TEAM. There is no I or mine.

Service to the country isn't for your own personal glorification. Climb down off the high horse man. You might have a chest full of medals. So what. If it was not for all the others in service along side you there would be no medals upon your chest. We are all proud of those that serve. Show a little humility.

Demo or Rep. They both are worthless. The reason we are screwed up as a country is because of both of these parties. They only empower themselves and seek to render the populace helpless and dependant upon them. Maybe more Government Control is what we need. There sure as hell isn't a chance for a third party, so I suppose we can continue to divide the house against itself for another 50 years till we fall apart.
 
I'm not sure you can really name anyone at the top levels of government who would be considered respected and honorable. I think it would be extremely hard to spend your life in politics and end up that way by the time you made it to congress or the executive office. They may not be bad people but I do think they are probably enormously compromised.
 
I don't feel the argument is well-constructed.

I don't see why someone who "should" not be able to own a gun can't defend gun rights. I also don't see why someone who is "dishonorable" isn't able to defend gun rights. I think the only point you made that wasn't ad hominem was that Bush Sr. signed the first assault weapons ban. The rest seems bunk to me.
 
marano said:
I hear a lot of people who completely blame Democrats for bad gun law and say that Republicans are our only hope for our gun rights. I have to disagree and here is why.
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You then go on to speak about military service record...?

The service record of a few politicians has nothing to do with your assertion that Democrats and Republicans are equal when it comes to gun control.

In many cases, Republicans are your only hope for gun-related issues. Of course there are Republicans who've screwed us royally. But by and large, a comparison of voting record by party line will show you exactly where each party stands on gun issues. And that line is very clear.

We can find pro-gun Democrats, and anti-gun Republicans. But these finds prove nothing in defining any trend.

PS - A hippy slob draft dodging loser who's played video games his entire life is just as entitled to the Second Amendment as a man who's dedicated his entire life to protecting that same Right through military service.
 
Cheers,

John Kerry told the truth about it? If you were there and truely believe that, PM me and tell me when you were there and where. You've got some explaining to do about it, because you've just painted me as a rapiest, child murderer, and pilager - ie: "WAR CRIMINAL".

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"I was not downing dodging the Vietnam war anyone who could should have. It was a stupid war. We did not gain one thing besides 55,000 less of our young who could not avoid it."

How we went to war, I agree. The reason we went, I disagree. Trying to save a country from communist oppression...it was the right thing to do. We went in it the wrong way and was mishandled. I don't have facts to back up my next statement, but it was said an additional 3 million lives were taken AFTER we pulled out. The war got political just like this one. Sorry, but I wouldn't have defected to evade the draft. Rather died serving my country in a mishandled war than living in another country in shame.

"Bill Clinton at least was honorable about it. John Kerry not only went but killed for it while he was there and told the truth about it when he got back. That is honorable. ."

Really? John Kerry telling the truth about it? Are you talking about what he said to Congress back then? My father wanted to reach throught the TV and rip his heart out...

"None of the mentioned people has a good record on our gun rights. That is my point."

I wonder what state of our gun rights would have been if Kerry was elected....sure was busy as a Senator on voting for gun bans...
 
What in HeII does their military record have to do with good or bad gun laws? And while you are at it, please explain what someone's military record has to do with whether they have a right to an opinion on this? Or was this just a way to say "Hey, look at me, I served!"?
 
So you hate the current administration, big deal. If you want to go on an anti administration rant then you have done well.

On the other hand you seem to be tying this somehow to the reps vs. the dems on gun rights. While the reps have certainly had their share of bad positions the history of the dems is horrible. That is a fact.
 
"I am about to tell the truth"

As you see it perhaps;)

What does the military service (or lack thereof) by our leaders have to do with the difference in support for gun rights between the two parties:confused:

If you just want to rant there is always the DU...they don't require a coherent argument:p
 
For me(and I suspect a lot of others) you were done with the phrase "I have earned the right to carry a weapon". Sorry, no, you have not. The Right IS. You did nothing to earn it or deserve it.

Based on that most basic misunderstanding on your part, and the obvious partisanship of the rest of your rant, none of the rest of it is to be taken at face value. Maybe you'd like to erase this thread and try to couch your agenda in a little more subtle terms?
 
After all it was W's father who passed the first assault weapon ban.
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This is incorrect. Bush signed it after it was passed by Congress.
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*Ahem*The AWB was passed on September 14, 1994, President Bush served until January 20, 1993. Soooo...lets get our facts straight.

Marano:
I spent 20 years in the National Guard. I did not get in during a war...and I was not trying to avoid serving in a war.
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Not to start any p*ssing contests, but I've got a wingman and his front- seater on that wall. That does not give me any "chest beating" privilage, just a fact.
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Marano's reply:
By the way does your service record to our beloved country add up to mine or even John Kerry's?
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I would say that if cr was flying jets over NV, while you never went and John Kerry was there 3 months(please correct me if I am wrong), I would say he went above and beyond(I can sooo not resist a pun:D ) But in all seriousness, how the heck are you to question cr's service? He was there you were not.

One last question for you: Have you heard from Dan Rather lately? No? Why ever could that be?:rolleyes:
 
*Ahem*The AWB was passed on September 14, 1994, President Bush served until January 20, 1993. Soooo...lets get our facts straight.
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How about 922r? I don't know about you but a law that bans "assault weapons" (also called modern rifles by people who look stuff up for themselves) would be called a AWB right?

I would love to be able to buy a M14 copy from china for 350.00.

Heck I would love some .308 from china for about 3.20 a box.... OH wait who took that? That would be old Billy boy, yep he sure did like screwing everyone while he was in office.
 
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