I am a liberal.
- Thread starter powderedonuts
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Nope. I'm not the originator but if he's anything like me it's more like this:
Liberal on Social issues: We need to spend money on some programs, and perhaps push others with tax incentives. Also, what people wish to do sexually or marriage-wise or with their own bodies is none of the government's business as long as no third party is being harmed.
Conservative on Economical issues: "I'll pay for what needs doing, including what is indicated by my Liberal on Social Issues standing, but let's not get too far out of hand."
Mike Irwin
Staff
Sorry to hear that.
I'll pray for you.
I'll pray for you.
Jammer Six
New member
Actually, the right thing to do with a vote is whatever a voter says it is.
That's what makes it so special. You don't get a vote in how he spends his vote.
Your statement reminds me of the husbands and wives who hit each other each election because one of them goaded the other with "...and I'm going to vote "no", just to cancel your vote!"
If he wants to use his vote for kicks, I may join him.
Just for kicks. Live with it.
Yep, it's your vote. You can do whatever you like with it.
I think he was talking more on the lines of: Your a fool for voting "for kicks." It's a serious matter and you should do your duty to vote respective to your ideals and beliefs based on the research you've done on the candidates - in lieu of whatever flighty feeling you get from it.
But yep, do what you like with your vote - it's yours. But telling people what you did, and why you did it, isn't necessarily going to get you a pat on the back.
While you may not be looking for a pat on the back - you also may not be looking for the disapproval your reading.
Who was it that had to do with the:
---Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
I think he was talking more on the lines of: Your a fool for voting "for kicks." It's a serious matter and you should do your duty to vote respective to your ideals and beliefs based on the research you've done on the candidates - in lieu of whatever flighty feeling you get from it.
But yep, do what you like with your vote - it's yours. But telling people what you did, and why you did it, isn't necessarily going to get you a pat on the back.
While you may not be looking for a pat on the back - you also may not be looking for the disapproval your reading.
Who was it that had to do with the:
---Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Democrats= Steals your money in the form of taxes, and spends it just as fast as they can get their hands on it.
Republicans= Will defer stealing your money preferring to defecit spend and then steal it later + interest to pay for their spending.
Libertarians= Will pare down govt to live within its Constitutional means leaving you to spend your money however you wish.
Republicans= Will defer stealing your money preferring to defecit spend and then steal it later + interest to pay for their spending.
Libertarians= Will pare down govt to live within its Constitutional means leaving you to spend your money however you wish.
That is more what I was going for with the liberal on social issues, I didn't even think of things like housing, welfare, etc. Those, I am more than definitely conservative on. I meant more like, I don't care if you smoke pot. I don't care if two guys want to get married, or if you want to marry a dog. Those sorts of things, I tend to be more liberal on. About the only two things I disagree with liberals on in those sorts of things are abortion and guns.
Yep. It's your vote, do what you will with it. I just hate when I get stuck with a candidate everyone voted for, because they thought it would be funny, or he looked better, or they liked his suit at one of his appearances. You probably wouldn't believe that many of the girls in high school were going to vote for Kerry, because they thought Edwards looked better than Cheney
Meanwhile it was the Republicans who gave us the Patriot Act, who want to force my (future) kids to pray their prayers if I send them to public schools, are trying to limit abortion (which many people do not consider murder and both scientific and religious views can be had for both sides), seem to want to limit labor's right to organize, want to control who can marry whom, and want to (in some cases) control what birth control married couples can use and dictate what people can do in their own bedrooms (sodomy laws are supported mostly by conservatives). Mind you some or even much of that stuff may be stuff where I am on the conservative side, but it certainly equals governmental control as well.
Both parties and even non-affiliated liberals and conservatives want governmental control over our lives, just usually over different areas. You just need to pick which areas you are willing to give up more options and go with that party.
Also, keep in mind that just as there are plenty of well intentioned conservatives who want nothing more than what is best for our country, there are just as many well intentioned liberals. Liberal does not equal power grabbers any more than conservatives equals power grabbers. I know plenty of well intentioned liberals (including Democratic Party activists), and I used to be one of them. I know plenty of well intentioned conservatives (including Republican Party activists), and these days I am one of them (though I'm not as involved in the Republican Party yet as I used to be in the Democratic Party).
Even as a joke I think we (not you, not TFL, but Americans in general) need to get away from demonizing the opposition. First, it is usually inaccurate and makes those on the fence but leaning the other way to think we are "extremists" and they don't take us seriously (or worse, see us as a threat). Second, we do ourselves a disservice if we think only our side is logical and the other side has no good arguments, we may underestimate our opponents. Third, we may be more willing to find some common ground and actually get along where we have common concerns (not all issues are right-left or pro gun-anti gun). Last, by doing this we often de-humanize the opposition in our minds when there may be some great people there who we are seriously misjudging. Because I've been on both sides and I see the caliber of people who truly care on both sides this demonizing the opposition that both right-wingers and leftists seem to like to do is one of my big pet peeves.
Anyway, I'm done with my soapbox now, anyone who wants it can have it
Jammer Six
New member
That's as insignificant to me as my kicks are to you.
Given one guy who gets his kicks voting as he pleases, and a guy who hates getting stuck with someone else's choices, I know which guy I'm going to be.
No one is impressed with your misery.
If you don't like the way we're voting, get off your ass and run for office, or give real support to your candidate.
Not lip service. Not posts on some insignificant gun board.
Give something that matters.
Otherwise, have a seat. We have kicks to vote for.
Fred Hansen
New member
Best response so far.
The idea wasn't someone who "gets his kicks voting as he pleases". Everyone "votes as they please" and for some, the act of doing so gives them a "kick".Jammer Six said:
The notion was of a person who vote FOR kicks - leading us to believe there's no intellectual thought process involved - just blindly filling out the ballot.
That, is the mentallity which a responsible citizen who takes an active role in the election process does not appreciate.
Even so, no one says you can't do it... but don't tell people to "have a seat" because they think it's an unintelligent, wasteful way to vote.
And rest assured, no one was trying to impress you with their misery... It was a discussion - one that can do with out your flippant pot-shot remarks.